Nov 18, 2013, 8:34 am
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Aircraft with new C seats
- All aircraft in operation are retrofitted
How to check if your aircraft has new C seats (up to 8 weeks in advance):
http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Business-Class-Product
A333 --> A33Q (retrofit), A33P(linefit) (seatmaps) (19|19):
MUC (8|8): D-AIKE, D-AIKF, D-AIKH, D-AIKM, D-AIKN, D-AIKP, D-AIKQ, D-AIKR
FRA (11|11): D-AIKA, D-AIKB, D-AIKC, D-AIKD, D-AIKG, D-AIKI, D-AIKJ, D-AIKK, D-AIKL, D-AIKO, D-AIKS
A343 --> A34Y (42C 225Y seatmaps)(18|18):
FRA (16|16): D-AIFA, D-AIFC, D-AIFE, D-AIFF, D-AIGL, D-AIGM, D-AIGN, D-AIGO, D-AIGS, D-AIGU, D-AIGV, D-AIGW, D-AIGY, D-AIGX, D-AIGZ, D-AIGP (JUMP)
DUS (2|2): D-AIFD, D-AIGT
A340-600 --> A34R (8F 56C 28E 189Y seatmaps)(22|24):
MUC (19|19): D-AIHB, D-AIHC, D-AIHD, D-AIHE, D-AIHF, D-AIHH, D-AIHI, D-AIHK, D-AIHL, D-AIHN, D-AIHQ, D-AIHR, D-AIHS, D-AIHT, D-AIHV, D-AIHW, D-AIHX, D-AIHY, D-AIHZ
FRA (4|5): D-AIHA, D-AIHM, D-AIHO, D-AIHU
A388 --> A38Q (all FRA based)(8F 92C 52E 336M seatmaps) :
FRA (14|14): D-AIMA, D-AIMB, D-AIMC, D-AIMD, D-AIME, D-AIMF, D-AIMG, D-AIMH, D-AIMI, D-AIMJ, D-AIMK, D-AIML, D-AIMM, D-AIMN
B744 -> 74Q (all FRA based)(53C 32E 308M maindeck upperdeck) (67C 32E 272M maindeck upperdeck)(13|13):
FRA (13|13): D-ABTK, D-ABTL, D-ABVM, D-ABVO, D-ABVP, D-ABVR, D-ABVS, D-ABVT, D-ABVU, D-ABVW, D-ABVX, D-ABVY, D-ABVZ
B748 (74H, all are based in FRA and have new F and C (these are all line fits)(seatmaps)(19|19):
D-ABYA, D-ABYC, D-ABYD, D-ABYF, D-ABYG , D-ABYH, D-ABYI, D-ABYJ, D-ABYK, D-ABYL, D-ABYM, D-ABYN, D-ABYO, D-ABYP, D-ABYQ, D-ABYR, D-ABYS, D-ABYT (retro jet), D-ABYU
- All aircraft in operation are retrofitted
How to check if your aircraft has new C seats (up to 8 weeks in advance):
http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Business-Class-Product
A333 --> A33Q (retrofit), A33P(linefit) (seatmaps) (19|19):
MUC (8|8): D-AIKE, D-AIKF, D-AIKH, D-AIKM, D-AIKN, D-AIKP, D-AIKQ, D-AIKR
FRA (11|11): D-AIKA, D-AIKB, D-AIKC, D-AIKD, D-AIKG, D-AIKI, D-AIKJ, D-AIKK, D-AIKL, D-AIKO, D-AIKS
A343 --> A34Y (42C 225Y seatmaps)(18|18):
FRA (16|16): D-AIFA, D-AIFC, D-AIFE, D-AIFF, D-AIGL, D-AIGM, D-AIGN, D-AIGO, D-AIGS, D-AIGU, D-AIGV, D-AIGW, D-AIGY, D-AIGX, D-AIGZ, D-AIGP (JUMP)
DUS (2|2): D-AIFD, D-AIGT
A340-600 --> A34R (8F 56C 28E 189Y seatmaps)(22|24):
MUC (19|19): D-AIHB, D-AIHC, D-AIHD, D-AIHE, D-AIHF, D-AIHH, D-AIHI, D-AIHK, D-AIHL, D-AIHN, D-AIHQ, D-AIHR, D-AIHS, D-AIHT, D-AIHV, D-AIHW, D-AIHX, D-AIHY, D-AIHZ
FRA (4|5): D-AIHA, D-AIHM, D-AIHO, D-AIHU
A388 --> A38Q (all FRA based)(8F 92C 52E 336M seatmaps) :
FRA (14|14): D-AIMA, D-AIMB, D-AIMC, D-AIMD, D-AIME, D-AIMF, D-AIMG, D-AIMH, D-AIMI, D-AIMJ, D-AIMK, D-AIML, D-AIMM, D-AIMN
B744 -> 74Q (all FRA based)(53C 32E 308M maindeck upperdeck) (67C 32E 272M maindeck upperdeck)(13|13):
FRA (13|13): D-ABTK, D-ABTL, D-ABVM, D-ABVO, D-ABVP, D-ABVR, D-ABVS, D-ABVT, D-ABVU, D-ABVW, D-ABVX, D-ABVY, D-ABVZ
B748 (74H, all are based in FRA and have new F and C (these are all line fits)(seatmaps)(19|19):
D-ABYA, D-ABYC, D-ABYD, D-ABYF, D-ABYG , D-ABYH, D-ABYI, D-ABYJ, D-ABYK, D-ABYL, D-ABYM, D-ABYN, D-ABYO, D-ABYP, D-ABYQ, D-ABYR, D-ABYS, D-ABYT (retro jet), D-ABYU
New Business class Line- or Retrofit / routes etc.
Apr 7, 2012, 5:13 am
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New Business class Line- or Retrofit / routes etc.
FAQ:
1. Which aircraft has the new C Class?
Right now 93 out of 105 aircraft are equipped with the new seat.
- These seats are on all (19) 747-8is, (14) A380 and (19) A333 to/from Frankfurt.
- From/to MUC you will get the new seats on 17 out of 20 A346 and on all (8) A333s.
- From/to DUS all aircraft are equipped with the new seats (2 A343).
2. Rules of thumb
FRA
- All 747s and A380s are operating from/to Frankfurt
- All but 2 A343 are flying to/from Frankfurt
- No A346 flights to/from FRA
- If you fly on a 747-8i, A380 or A333 than you have the new seat for sure (unless they change the aircraft to anything else).
- On the A343 you have to have the two class layout with 42C and 225Y seats. (Seatmap). Chances are 11/15.
MUC
- If you're on an A333 flight to/from MUC you will have the new cabin
- All A346 are flying to/from MUC
- No A343 flights to/from MUC
DUS
- It's safe both A343 have the new cabin
3. I'm on a B744 fight, do I have the new seat?
- Seven planes have the new seat. Nearly half the 744 fleet will be sent to the desert. The rest will be upgraded to a Y, Y+ and C configuration.
4. How can I check if my flight has the new seat?
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5. How to identify the seat maps
-A333
Check row 27. The new planes have 4 seats there, the old ones 8.
-A343
Retrofitted planes doesn't have a F Cabin. C starts in row 1.
-A346
The front section of the C Cabin only has rows 3-7. Row 10 only has seats 10DG, 10AC & HK are missing.
-A388
Row 21 must be behind the lav.
- B744
Business seating available in upper deck
1. Which aircraft has the new C Class?
Right now 93 out of 105 aircraft are equipped with the new seat.
- These seats are on all (19) 747-8is, (14) A380 and (19) A333 to/from Frankfurt.
- From/to MUC you will get the new seats on 17 out of 20 A346 and on all (8) A333s.
- From/to DUS all aircraft are equipped with the new seats (2 A343).
2. Rules of thumb
FRA
- All 747s and A380s are operating from/to Frankfurt
- All but 2 A343 are flying to/from Frankfurt
- No A346 flights to/from FRA
- If you fly on a 747-8i, A380 or A333 than you have the new seat for sure (unless they change the aircraft to anything else).
- On the A343 you have to have the two class layout with 42C and 225Y seats. (Seatmap). Chances are 11/15.
MUC
- If you're on an A333 flight to/from MUC you will have the new cabin
- All A346 are flying to/from MUC
- No A343 flights to/from MUC
DUS
- It's safe both A343 have the new cabin
3. I'm on a B744 fight, do I have the new seat?
- Seven planes have the new seat. Nearly half the 744 fleet will be sent to the desert. The rest will be upgraded to a Y, Y+ and C configuration.
4. How can I check if my flight has the new seat?
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Originally Posted by oliver
For flights 1-5 days ahead:
1. just go to http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Arrival-and-Departure, plug in the flight number and select the date.
2. When the flight status is displayed, click on the 'additional options' button and select 'i Flight details'
3. The field 'aircraft' will show 'Aircraft name Neue/New First & Business Class'
For flights more than 5 days ahead you need to make a fake booking and see if the aircraft has the seats 27 DEFG in economy. If it doesn't the aircraft is fitted with new C.
1. just go to http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Arrival-and-Departure, plug in the flight number and select the date.
2. When the flight status is displayed, click on the 'additional options' button and select 'i Flight details'
3. The field 'aircraft' will show 'Aircraft name Neue/New First & Business Class'
For flights more than 5 days ahead you need to make a fake booking and see if the aircraft has the seats 27 DEFG in economy. If it doesn't the aircraft is fitted with new C.
5. How to identify the seat maps
-A333
Check row 27. The new planes have 4 seats there, the old ones 8.
-A343
Retrofitted planes doesn't have a F Cabin. C starts in row 1.
-A346
The front section of the C Cabin only has rows 3-7. Row 10 only has seats 10DG, 10AC & HK are missing.
-A388
Row 21 must be behind the lav.
- B744
Business seating available in upper deck
Last edited by flying_student; Jul 1, 2015 at 10:23 am
Apr 7, 2012, 5:13 am
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Aircraft with new C cabin:
merged with the first post
Last edited by flying_student; Jan 28, 2015 at 5:11 am Reason: updates
Apr 7, 2012, 5:15 am
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Infos:
Some LH PR bla bla, starting page 67:
http://www.lhm-lounge.de/lh_1205_int...ter_doppel.pdf
http://747-8.lufthansa.com
New destinations:
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...icago/673205/1
First Trip Report (german only, sorry)
http://www.vielfliegertreff.de/lufth...lugalltag.html
http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler....ur-and-review/
Media:
http://www.businesstraveller.asia/as...class-seats-to
Some LH PR bla bla, starting page 67:
http://www.lhm-lounge.de/lh_1205_int...ter_doppel.pdf
http://747-8.lufthansa.com
New destinations:
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...icago/673205/1
First Trip Report (german only, sorry)
http://www.vielfliegertreff.de/lufth...lugalltag.html
http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler....ur-and-review/
Media:
http://www.businesstraveller.asia/as...class-seats-to
Last edited by flying_student; Oct 30, 2013 at 5:53 am
Apr 11, 2012, 10:21 am
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So where does that leave SFO, etc.? And not sure how to interpret the table. Are those date/month entires?
Apr 11, 2012, 10:54 am
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Some information about the new C seat on board Lufthansa's longhaul fleet:
- the new product will be on 747-8 first
- 747-8 will only fly to/from Frankfurt
- First delivery date could be April 23th (D-ABYA)
- Muc will see the first new C Seat on board brand-new A333 aircraft
- the first new A333 (D-AIKP) is now in Hamburg for cabin and flynet outfitting
- 4 years are planed to change all aircrafts
Those informations are provided by the Lufthansa intranet (subject to change):
Routes ex Fra:
IAD: first flight not yet official
Routes ex Muc:
IAD: 01.05 - 23.06, 02.09 - 27.10
JFK: 01.06 - 25.06, 02.09 - 27.10
BOM: 02.09 - 27.10
DXB: 25.06 - 01.09
YUL: 30.06 - 01.09
RUH/JED: 27.06 - 31.08
TLV: 25.06 - 01.09
Routes ex DUS:
nothing yet
- the new product will be on 747-8 first
- 747-8 will only fly to/from Frankfurt
- First delivery date could be April 23th (D-ABYA)
- Muc will see the first new C Seat on board brand-new A333 aircraft
- the first new A333 (D-AIKP) is now in Hamburg for cabin and flynet outfitting
- 4 years are planed to change all aircrafts
Those informations are provided by the Lufthansa intranet (subject to change):
Routes ex Fra:
IAD: first flight not yet official
Routes ex Muc:
IAD: 01.05 - 23.06, 02.09 - 27.10
JFK: 01.06 - 25.06, 02.09 - 27.10
BOM: 02.09 - 27.10
DXB: 25.06 - 01.09
YUL: 30.06 - 01.09
RUH/JED: 27.06 - 31.08
TLV: 25.06 - 01.09
Routes ex DUS:
nothing yet
Does LH really will deploy it's new conf. A330 between MUC-IAD 1.5.-23.6.?
Apr 11, 2012, 3:36 pm
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Apr 12, 2012, 1:54 am
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Yes, start booking 
Apr 12, 2012, 2:06 am
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I will update this thread as soon as new information are available. But as far as SFO is concerned the FRA flights will be this summer again with A380. For sure you will not have new C Class till winter flightplan. In winter they switch back to 747. Then you have a slim chance
Muc will be served with an A346. I do not know when they start the retrofit.
Yes
Muc will be served with an A346. I do not know when they start the retrofit.
Yes
Apr 12, 2012, 8:23 pm
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Apr 14, 2012, 10:30 am
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Apr 16, 2012, 3:28 pm
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New 747-8 destinations added.
A333 service is delayed till May 6th.
A333 service is delayed till May 6th.
May 4, 2012, 8:09 am
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Have D-AIKP and D-AIKQ been loaded into system (seat maps)?
May 4, 2012, 10:12 am
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