New Business class Line- or Retrofit / routes etc.

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Aircraft with new C seats

- All aircraft in operation are retrofitted

How to check if your aircraft has new C seats (up to 8 weeks in advance):
http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Business-Class-Product

A333 --> A33Q (retrofit), A33P(linefit) (seatmaps) (19|19):
MUC (8|8): D-AIKE, D-AIKF, D-AIKH, D-AIKM, D-AIKN, D-AIKP, D-AIKQ, D-AIKR
FRA (11|11): D-AIKA, D-AIKB, D-AIKC, D-AIKD, D-AIKG, D-AIKI, D-AIKJ, D-AIKK, D-AIKL, D-AIKO, D-AIKS

A343 --> A34Y (42C 225Y seatmaps)(18|18):
FRA (16|16): D-AIFA, D-AIFC, D-AIFE, D-AIFF, D-AIGL, D-AIGM, D-AIGN, D-AIGO, D-AIGS, D-AIGU, D-AIGV, D-AIGW, D-AIGY, D-AIGX, D-AIGZ, D-AIGP (JUMP)
DUS (2|2): D-AIFD, D-AIGT

A340-600 --> A34R (8F 56C 28E 189Y seatmaps)(22|24):
MUC (19|19): D-AIHB, D-AIHC, D-AIHD, D-AIHE, D-AIHF, D-AIHH, D-AIHI, D-AIHK, D-AIHL, D-AIHN, D-AIHQ, D-AIHR, D-AIHS, D-AIHT, D-AIHV, D-AIHW, D-AIHX, D-AIHY, D-AIHZ
FRA (4|5): D-AIHA, D-AIHM, D-AIHO, D-AIHU

A388 --> A38Q (all FRA based)(8F 92C 52E 336M seatmaps) :
FRA (14|14): D-AIMA, D-AIMB, D-AIMC, D-AIMD, D-AIME, D-AIMF, D-AIMG, D-AIMH, D-AIMI, D-AIMJ, D-AIMK, D-AIML, D-AIMM, D-AIMN

B744 -> 74Q (all FRA based)(53C 32E 308M maindeck upperdeck) (67C 32E 272M maindeck upperdeck)(13|13):
FRA (13|13): D-ABTK, D-ABTL, D-ABVM, D-ABVO, D-ABVP, D-ABVR, D-ABVS, D-ABVT, D-ABVU, D-ABVW, D-ABVX, D-ABVY, D-ABVZ


B748 (74H, all are based in FRA and have new F and C (these are all line fits)(seatmaps)(19|19):
D-ABYA, D-ABYC, D-ABYD, D-ABYF, D-ABYG , D-ABYH, D-ABYI, D-ABYJ, D-ABYK, D-ABYL, D-ABYM, D-ABYN, D-ABYO, D-ABYP, D-ABYQ, D-ABYR, D-ABYS, D-ABYT (retro jet), D-ABYU
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Old Apr 7, 12, 5:13 am
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Post New Business class Line- or Retrofit / routes etc.

FAQ:

1. Which aircraft has the new C Class?

Right now 93 out of 105 aircraft are equipped with the new seat.

- These seats are on all (19) 747-8is, (14) A380 and (19) A333 to/from Frankfurt.
- From/to MUC you will get the new seats on 17 out of 20 A346 and on all (8) A333s.
- From/to DUS all aircraft are equipped with the new seats (2 A343).

2. Rules of thumb

FRA
- All 747s and A380s are operating from/to Frankfurt
- All but 2 A343 are flying to/from Frankfurt
- No A346 flights to/from FRA
- If you fly on a 747-8i, A380 or A333 than you have the new seat for sure (unless they change the aircraft to anything else).
- On the A343 you have to have the two class layout with 42C and 225Y seats. (Seatmap). Chances are 11/15.

MUC

- If you're on an A333 flight to/from MUC you will have the new cabin
- All A346 are flying to/from MUC
- No A343 flights to/from MUC

DUS
- It's safe both A343 have the new cabin



3. I'm on a B744 fight, do I have the new seat?
- Seven planes have the new seat. Nearly half the 744 fleet will be sent to the desert. The rest will be upgraded to a Y, Y+ and C configuration.


4. How can I check if my flight has the new seat?
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Originally Posted by oliver
For flights 1-5 days ahead:

1. just go to http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Arrival-and-Departure, plug in the flight number and select the date.
2. When the flight status is displayed, click on the 'additional options' button and select 'i Flight details'
3. The field 'aircraft' will show 'Aircraft name Neue/New First & Business Class'

For flights more than 5 days ahead you need to make a fake booking and see if the aircraft has the seats 27 DEFG in economy. If it doesn't the aircraft is fitted with new C.

5. How to identify the seat maps

-A333
Check row 27. The new planes have 4 seats there, the old ones 8.

-A343
Retrofitted planes doesn't have a F Cabin. C starts in row 1.

-A346
The front section of the C Cabin only has rows 3-7. Row 10 only has seats 10DG, 10AC & HK are missing.


-A388
Row 21 must be behind the lav.

- B744
Business seating available in upper deck

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Old Apr 7, 12, 5:13 am
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Aircraft with new C cabin:

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Old Apr 7, 12, 5:15 am
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Infos:

Some LH PR bla bla, starting page 67:

http://www.lhm-lounge.de/lh_1205_int...ter_doppel.pdf
http://747-8.lufthansa.com

New destinations:

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...icago/673205/1

First Trip Report (german only, sorry)

http://www.vielfliegertreff.de/lufth...lugalltag.html
http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler....ur-and-review/
Media:

http://www.businesstraveller.asia/as...class-seats-to

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Old Apr 11, 12, 10:21 am
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So where does that leave SFO, etc.? And not sure how to interpret the table. Are those date/month entires?
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Old Apr 11, 12, 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by flying_student View Post
Some information about the new C seat on board Lufthansa's longhaul fleet:

- the new product will be on 747-8 first
- 747-8 will only fly to/from Frankfurt
- First delivery date could be April 23th (D-ABYA)
- Muc will see the first new C Seat on board brand-new A333 aircraft
- the first new A333 (D-AIKP) is now in Hamburg for cabin and flynet outfitting
- 4 years are planed to change all aircrafts

Those informations are provided by the Lufthansa intranet (subject to change):

Routes ex Fra:

IAD: first flight not yet official

Routes ex Muc:

IAD: 01.05 - 23.06, 02.09 - 27.10
JFK: 01.06 - 25.06, 02.09 - 27.10
BOM: 02.09 - 27.10
DXB: 25.06 - 01.09
YUL: 30.06 - 01.09
RUH/JED: 27.06 - 31.08
TLV: 25.06 - 01.09

Routes ex DUS:

nothing yet

Does LH really will deploy it's new conf. A330 between MUC-IAD 1.5.-23.6.?
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Old Apr 11, 12, 3:36 pm
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Originally Posted by flying_student View Post
Routes ex Muc:

IAD: 01.05 - 23.06, 02.09 - 27.10
Knowing that first 748i won't be in rotation by MAY 01, can we assume that New C will be first fly-able on A333?
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Old Apr 12, 12, 1:54 am
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Yes, start booking
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Old Apr 12, 12, 2:06 am
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Originally Posted by Boraxo View Post
So where does that leave SFO, etc.?
I will update this thread as soon as new information are available. But as far as SFO is concerned the FRA flights will be this summer again with A380. For sure you will not have new C Class till winter flightplan. In winter they switch back to 747. Then you have a slim chance

Muc will be served with an A346. I do not know when they start the retrofit.


Originally Posted by Boraxo View Post
Are those date/month entires?
Yes
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Originally Posted by munichmarcus View Post
Does LH really will deploy it's new conf. A330 between MUC-IAD 1.5.-23.6.?
if yes then: DANG! will miss it by a few days (flying IAD-MUC beginning of july...)
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if yes then: DANG! will miss it by a few days (flying IAD-MUC beginning of july...)
I will try to change my flights on this bird! Then for sure I will get the new F!!!
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Hmmm so TLV - MUC after 25/06. Noted.
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Originally Posted by flying_student View Post
- 4 years are planed to change all aircrafts
Absolutely ridiculous. What is LH doing, assigning one mechanic to the task?

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Old Apr 16, 12, 3:28 pm
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New 747-8 destinations added.

A333 service is delayed till May 6th.
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Have D-AIKP and D-AIKQ been loaded into system (seat maps)?
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Have D-AIKP and D-AIKQ been loaded into system (seat maps)?
I haven't seen a map yet. But it will be 8F/48C/161Y
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