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Please post you departure dates and routes below: March MARCH 07 BCN - FCO - LAX Madeiraportugal MARCH 11 PacificTwo MARCH 11 BCN-FCO-JFK UAPremierGuy MARCH 14 LAX - CDG - FCO - BCN Madeiraportugal MARCH 19 BCN-FCO-CDG GlennHaak MARCH 19 MAD-FCO-JFK beyounged MARCH 20 CDG-LAX GlennHaak MARCH 25 BCN-FCO-JFK JonEJacobs MARCH 25 JFK-FCO-MAD beyounged MARCH 28 LAX-FCO-BCN GlennHaak April APRIL 01 BCN-FCO-LAX - idiosyncrasy APRIL 04 BCN - FCO - CDG (+1) - LAX Mister Miles APRIL 05 JFK-FCO-BCN JonEJacobs APRIL 08 BCN - FCO - LAX - honzeek_cz APRIL 08 FCO-CDG JNLentertainment APRIL 09 CDG-LAX - JNLentertainment APRIL 09 LAX - JFK - FCO - BCN Mister Miles APRIL 23 LAX-CDG honzeek_cz APRIL 24 CDG-FCO-BCN honzeek_cz APRIL 25 MAD-LIN honzeek_cz APRIL 25 LAX-CDG-FCO-BCN idiosyncrasy APRIL 26 LIN-CDG-LAX honzeek_cz APRIL 29 LAX-FCO honzeek_cz APRIL 30 FCO-MAD honzeek_cz APRIL 30 MAD-FCO Maayan May MAY 01 FCO-LAX Maayan MAY 01 BCN-FCO-JFK ramalair MAY 02 BCN-FCO-JFK e30st MAY 02 BCN-FCO / MAY 03 FCO-LAX Travel-Quinten MAY 02 BCN-FCO-LAX Wildwater MAY 02 BCN-FCO / MAY 03 FCO-LAX bmibaby737 MAY 06 JFK-FCO-BCN (+1) e30st MAY 06 LAX-FCO-BCN (+1) Travel-Quinten MAY 06 LAX-FCO-BCN Wildwater MAY 06 LAX-JFK-FCO / MAY 07 FCO-BCN bmibaby737 MAY 08 LAX-FCO-MAD Maayan MAY 09 JFK-FCO-BCN ramalair MAY 09 LAX- FCO JNLentertainment MAY 09 FCO-BCN JNLentertainment September October November Nov 7 BCN - FCO - JFK ExpatSomchai Nov 11 JFK - FCO - BCN (+1) ExpatSomchai
[PREM FARE GONE] AZ: BCN - LAX £456 in J....
#198
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Understood. But it wasn't all about the fare. Different dates, different traveling companions, different alliance, different routing. Such is life. It was definitely painful to cancel the ORD-SYD one.
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I'll add that AZ is a EU carrier, subject to EU261/2004, so a downgrade would require AZ to compensate passengers for 75% of the fare. I'd personally believe that they would either cancel or honor it, but not downgrade.
#200
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They will cancel and refund for sure if they downgrade it to economy. Anyway my booking confirmation in email that came with e-ticket says clearly Business, so its either that or nothing.
#201
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I quite disagree. This is a grey-area about EU261. EU261 talks about downgrade referred to overbooking. This is different and it's quite complicate to understand exactly if downgrading you in advance because of a fare mapping issue is below the EU261 reg.....
Last edited by paffendorf; Jan 5, 2019 at 10:08 am
#202
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Article 10
Upgrading and downgrading
1. If an operating air carrier places a passenger in a class higher than that for which the ticket was purchased, it may not request any supplementary payment.
2. If an operating air carrier places a passenger in a class lower than that for which the ticket was purchased, it shall within seven days, by the means provided for in Article 7(3), reimburse
(a) 30 % of the price of the ticket for all flights of 1500 kilometres or less, or
(b) 50 % of the price of the ticket for all intra-Community flights of more than 1500 kilometres, except flights between the European territory of the Member States and the French overseas departments, and for all other flights between 1500 and 3500 kilometres, or
(c) 75 % of the price of the ticket for all flights not falling under (a) or (b), including flights between the European territory of the Member States and the French overseas departments.
Upgrading and downgrading
1. If an operating air carrier places a passenger in a class higher than that for which the ticket was purchased, it may not request any supplementary payment.
2. If an operating air carrier places a passenger in a class lower than that for which the ticket was purchased, it shall within seven days, by the means provided for in Article 7(3), reimburse
(a) 30 % of the price of the ticket for all flights of 1500 kilometres or less, or
(b) 50 % of the price of the ticket for all intra-Community flights of more than 1500 kilometres, except flights between the European territory of the Member States and the French overseas departments, and for all other flights between 1500 and 3500 kilometres, or
(c) 75 % of the price of the ticket for all flights not falling under (a) or (b), including flights between the European territory of the Member States and the French overseas departments.
Last edited by Oxymore; Jan 5, 2019 at 10:23 am
#204
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I beg to differ. There is no mention of overbooking in the section of EU261 that covers downgrade. It applies, and has been applied to any downgrade situation, for any reason (and at any time before the flight, not just within 14 days like cancellations/delays). Here is the relevant article:
I'd also mention that the fare mapping issue is irrelevant to the consumer: I searched for a business class ticket, booked a business class ticket, and got a ticket receipt from Alitalia with all flights in business class, with a class code (E) that is correctly a business class code for Alitalia.
I'd also mention that the fare mapping issue is irrelevant to the consumer: I searched for a business class ticket, booked a business class ticket, and got a ticket receipt from Alitalia with all flights in business class, with a class code (E) that is correctly a business class code for Alitalia.
To me, it counts what is written on ticket receipt, *business*
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I reckon they just needed another "short-term interest free loan" provided from various generous micro lenders - and will refund all monies, slowly, starting about a month from now...
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They won't allow it go that far. If they "downgrade", then they will issue a note in the coming weeks telling people that it was an error and they can either refund or travel in Economy. As such, no downgrade compensation would be due for those that accept the downgrade.
But in keeping with their modus operandi of the last few years, they will cancel these, slowly, in the coming weeks I would wager.
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I'd expect AZ to rebook everyone in economy and to argue that this is a non-refundable economy ticket.
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Cancelled!
Message from Amex saying that it's been cancelled.
'Dear Lizie,
I hope this finds you well.
I just wanted to let you know that we have been unable to fulfill your recent booking -------- with Alitalia. Your reservation has been cancelled and your card will not be charged.
Warm Regards'
Message from Amex saying that it's been cancelled.
'Dear Lizie,
I hope this finds you well.
I just wanted to let you know that we have been unable to fulfill your recent booking -------- with Alitalia. Your reservation has been cancelled and your card will not be charged.
Warm Regards'