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Tim34 Jul 21, 2008 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by RSVP (Post 10075317)
If AirTran had moved first and covered that route, NW wouldn't have bothered.

I don't think so. I think that they would have added the route anyway just to show Airtran who running MKE. It's a "who's your daddy" kinda thing:D

RSVP Jul 21, 2008 6:18 pm


Originally Posted by Tim34 (Post 10075395)
I don't think so. I think that they would have added the route anyway just to show Airtran who running MKE. It's a "who's your daddy" kinda thing:D

We'll have to see if Airtran will continue its nonstops next May when it's time to resume them again.

Also, will NW still be flying this route next May? They've got some great fares right now, which I suspect are introductory.

whlinder Jul 21, 2008 7:34 pm


Originally Posted by RSVP (Post 10075145)
Obviously, that would result in Midwest shelling out a lot of $$$ at a time when they are trying to conserve.

Not necessarily, and depending upon the fare booked with Midwest they might even make out on the deal.

MikeMpls Jul 22, 2008 3:29 am


Originally Posted by knope2001 (Post 10074478)
I'm sure it sucks to have to go through the hassle and potential additional cost of rebooking. Any time a market is dropped there are unhappy customers left in the wake.

I do find this to be a very telling posting, however. Traffic in a peripheral connecting market for Midwest...like MSP-STL...which chooses Midwest because of a "too good to be true" fare, is just the type of traffic they should not be serving. This is not meant to slam you at all, MikeMpls. Seeking out low fares is a natural thing. And I'm not trying to imply that because you booked these low fares you somehow deserved this to happen to your or should have expected it. No, not at all. You did nothing wrong.

But when an airline has to fill seats by offering "too good to be true" fares to lure connecting passengers, that's a sign that they probably shouldn't be in that market. As recently as early 2007 MKE-STL was flown with 19-seat aircraft as it had been for years, and they struggled to fill seats even in the brief period of 32-seat FRJ service. Now with 50-seat CRJ's it was simply too much capacity for the market. Hence the really low MSP-STL fare. And now, STL (along with a very similar Louisville) are on the block.

But at the same time Midwest must have seen the writing on the wall and still chose to entice customers with unreasonably low prices (e.g. for us $217-247 for MSP-STL), only to turn around & dump them. All of our tickets were purchased < 50 days before the route cancellations were announced. If YX had any inkling of the what was to come (and I believe they've been planning it for quite some time), they should have canned those fare sales. Most consumers won't have our prespective, rather they've been deceived and defrauded.

A big question now may be whether or not YX has sufficiently liquidity to pay out all the refunds.

mke9499 Jul 22, 2008 6:20 am


Originally Posted by mizzou65201 (Post 10074769)
Tangentially related, but I just got a press release that NW is starting up 1x daily MKE-LAX-MKE on an A320.

NW507 Lv MKE 740a Ar LAX 1005a
NW506 Lv LAX 1100a Ar MKE 445p

Effective 9/6

Interesting note:

RT MKE-LAX on NW nonstop, Tue-Tue ......... $257.50 total
RT MKE-DTW " " " ............. same dates ...... $403.50 "

MKE-LAX not listed as promo fare.

Tried inputting different months from September thru February, with same results.

hazelrah Jul 22, 2008 7:09 am


Originally Posted by Tim34 (Post 10072042)
Have you been on the JSonline forum? Employees are calling him Tim-laden. Ouch!!! Midwest will need to figure out a way to restore their image or they will not make it.

I think it is time for Tim Hoeksama to put on his straw hat and do a dancing number. We do need a couple new verses -

Save the Cookie-

Sung to the tune, "'Ya got Trouble" from the Music Man

People:
Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in Old Milwaukee!
With a capital "A"
and a capital "T"
And that stands for Air Tran,
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in Old Milwaukee,
Right here!
Gotta figger out a way
To keep the young ones enjoying the cookie!
Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...

"Professor" Tim Hoeksaema:
Mothers of Old Milwaukee!
Heed the warning before it's too late!
Watch for the tell-tale sign of low-cost carriers!
The moment your son leaves the house,
Does he check Air Tran fares to Florida?
Does he look for low fares for spring break?
or to other southern destinations?
Is he starting to memorize snappy,
Air Tran commercials?
Are certain words creeping into his conversation?
Words like low-cost"
And 'bargain fares?"
Well, if so my friends,
Ya got trouble,
Right here in Old Milwaukee!
With a capital "A"
And a capital "T"
And that stands for Air Tran.
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in Old Milwaukee!
Remember the Maine, Plymouth Rock and the Golden Rule!
Oh, we've got trouble.
We're in terrible, terrible trouble.
That airline with low fares is a devil's tool!
Oh yes we got trouble, trouble, trouble!
With a "A"! Gotta say it with "T"!
And that stands for Air Tran!!!

RSVP Jul 22, 2008 7:44 am

What happened to Mike Brophy?
 
Has anyone seen or heard from Mike Brophy in the past week? Randy Smith seems to be handling all the media communications these days.

knope2001 Jul 22, 2008 7:50 am


Originally Posted by MikeMpls (Post 10077165)
But at the same time Midwest must have seen the writing on the wall and still chose to entice customers with unreasonably low prices (e.g. for us $217-247 for MSP-STL), only to turn around & dump them. All of our tickets were purchased < 50 days before the route cancellations were announced. If YX had any inkling of the what was to come (and I believe they've been planning it for quite some time), they should have canned those fare sales. Most consumers won't have our prespective, rather they've been deceived and defrauded.

Even under routine circumstances, airlines do not know several weeks before announcement that a city will be dropped. Every passenger already booked to a discontinued city costs the company money to handle and brings in zero revenue.

In this particular very-non-routine case, the terms of a renegotiated Skywest contract...including negotiation to reduce the number of CRJ aircraft in the fleet...likely was finalized very recently. And at THAT point when they knew they'd be down to 11 CRJs to schedule, then they worked the schedule and made the decisions on what to drop and what to keep.

mke9499 Jul 22, 2008 7:54 am


Originally Posted by RSVP (Post 10077890)
Has anyone seen or heard from Mike Brophy in the past week? Randy Smith seems to be handling all the media communications these days.

I have made the the same observation over tha past 3 or 4 days. However, I did see Brophy do a television interview over the weekend...it looked like he was interviewed in front of his home. His name still appears in the YX press releases, as the primary contact, with Smith as the secondary contact.

hazelrah Jul 22, 2008 8:00 am

One solution for Milwaukee based travelers is obvious- switch all your allegiance to Northwest. DTW and MSP are both excellent hubs. Norhtwest has an excellent elite call center.

Heck, at least with Northwest as a higher tier elite you have chance at an upgrade to first.

BlueHorseShoe2000 Jul 22, 2008 8:02 am


Originally Posted by mke9499 (Post 10077940)
I have made the the same observation over tha past 3 or 4 days. However, I did see Brophy do a television interview over the weekend...it looked like he was interviewed in front of his home. His name still appears in the YX press releases, as the primary contact, with Smith as the secondary contact.

He's been quoted in a few articles recently...but not many.

Now that the impact of the cuts have sunk in, it's time for Midwest to put on a full court press IMO. Hoeksema himself should make appearances on all the the television and radio "news" programs as well as make himself available to the Journal Sentinel. We all know Brophy is not up to the challenge.

Was Brophy really interviewed in front of his house? That would have been pretty funny to see. The media is treating him like he's a criminal or something. I'm guessing there was no stake-out at Hoeksema's house.

RSVP Jul 22, 2008 8:22 am


Originally Posted by BlueHorseShoe2000 (Post 10077973)
He's been quoted in a few articles recently...but not many.

Now that the impact of the cuts have sunk in, it's time for Midwest to put on a full court press IMO. Hoeksema himself should make appearances on all the the television and radio "news" programs as well as make himself available to the Journal Sentinel. We all know Brophy is not up to the challenge.

Was Brophy really interviewed in front of his house? That would have been pretty funny to see. The media is treating him like he's a criminal or something. I'm guessing there was no stake-out at Hoeksema's house.

I suspect Brophy's desk may be moving closer to the door. He just doesn't perform well in front of the media and portrays a bad image. This was his first major test since taking the job and he has failed miserably.

mke9499 Jul 22, 2008 8:40 am


Originally Posted by BlueHorseShoe2000 (Post 10077973)
He's been quoted in a few articles recently...but not many.

Now that the impact of the cuts have sunk in, it's time for Midwest to put on a full court press IMO. Hoeksema himself should make appearances on all the the television and radio "news" programs as well as make himself available to the Journal Sentinel. We all know Brophy is not up to the challenge.

Was Brophy really interviewed in front of his house? That would have been pretty funny to see. The media is treating him like he's a criminal or something. I'm guessing there was no stake-out at Hoeksema's house.


I agree with you, as far as Hoeksema being more visible; he presents a very calm, assuring image for the company.

The Brophy interview was over the weekend, but I don't recall if it was Saturday or Sunday. It was obviously a residential setting, though no house was in camera range, just a nicely manicured lawn. It did not look like the YX campus.

Brophy was in casual attire, something like a plum-colored golf shirt.

MikeMpls Jul 22, 2008 8:54 am


Originally Posted by knope2001 (Post 10077921)
Even under routine circumstances, airlines do not know several weeks before announcement that a city will be dropped. Every passenger already booked to a discontinued city costs the company money to handle and brings in zero revenue.

In this particular very-non-routine case, the terms of a renegotiated Skywest contract...including negotiation to reduce the number of CRJ aircraft in the fleet...likely was finalized very recently. And at THAT point when they knew they'd be down to 11 CRJs to schedule, then they worked the schedule and made the decisions on what to drop and what to keep.

Nice rationalization but it doesn't get them off the hook. There were rumblings of schedule changes and dropped routes weeks/months ahead of Friday's announcements. If they're not fully committed to providing their product, they shouldn't be holding sales to pimp their business.

codejockey Jul 22, 2008 10:32 am

I do not understand YX deciding to refund. In the current environment isn't cash king? Customer service issues aside, from a cold numbers standpoint, shouldn't they want to let as little cash leave as possible?


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