Mexico's violence not keeping tourists away
#61
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P.S.
http://www.examiner.com/true-crime-i...urders-chicago
There were 26 murders in Chicago this January........I don´t plan on stopping going to Chicago either.
There were 26 murders in Chicago this January........I don´t plan on stopping going to Chicago either.
#62
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All Cruise Lines?
Well, your time-limit has expired and you've probably made your decision already.
Baja California Sur, the state in which the los Cabos communities are located, has been considered relatively safe to visit. It's escaped the terrorist acts and warfare one finds in many other parts of Mexico. Some of the Cabo San Lucas area resorts avoid working with the local police and instead hire private foreign-trained security forces ... and that's one of the principal reasons the 'rich and famous' from Hollywood still vacation there. Personally, I wouldn't be hesitant to vacation there.
Many other tourist destinations in Mexico, though, are seeing higher risks to tourists - not just Acapulco as mentioned by someone else. Away from the northern border zone warfare and high level of terrorism, the terrorist acts occurring elsewhere are sporatic and happen without warning and it's not easy to predict where and when they will happen. Mazatlan's a good case in point. It's now considered one of the more dangerous tourist destinations and all cruise lines have decided to bypass the port out of concern for cruise line passengers. Some ships, though, still call on Acapulco.
It's a big country, though, and away from the tourist zones where there is an elevated risk of danger there are many more destinations where risks are very low. The challenger is to find the current information, accurate information, sufficient to complete pre-trip planning.
Enjoy the trip!
Baja California Sur, the state in which the los Cabos communities are located, has been considered relatively safe to visit. It's escaped the terrorist acts and warfare one finds in many other parts of Mexico. Some of the Cabo San Lucas area resorts avoid working with the local police and instead hire private foreign-trained security forces ... and that's one of the principal reasons the 'rich and famous' from Hollywood still vacation there. Personally, I wouldn't be hesitant to vacation there.
Many other tourist destinations in Mexico, though, are seeing higher risks to tourists - not just Acapulco as mentioned by someone else. Away from the northern border zone warfare and high level of terrorism, the terrorist acts occurring elsewhere are sporatic and happen without warning and it's not easy to predict where and when they will happen. Mazatlan's a good case in point. It's now considered one of the more dangerous tourist destinations and all cruise lines have decided to bypass the port out of concern for cruise line passengers. Some ships, though, still call on Acapulco.
It's a big country, though, and away from the tourist zones where there is an elevated risk of danger there are many more destinations where risks are very low. The challenger is to find the current information, accurate information, sufficient to complete pre-trip planning.
Enjoy the trip!
CORRECTION: I guess the notification will be forthcoming, with an extra day to be spent in Cabo San Lucas instead. Never underestimate FT!
Last edited by Reindeerflame; Mar 15, 2011 at 10:04 am
#63
Join Date: Sep 2006
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We recently returned from Zihuatanejo and Mexico City. We never once felt concerned for safety or ill at ease. In either place. Friendly people, as always, who are very glad to see tourists.
Frankly, we have been more on our guard in places like Rio than in MEX. We would not hesitate to return. Yet, we constantly hear, even from educated friends "are you really going to Mexico?" Not much to respond to such a question, except to realize their absence means less crowded locales in MEX, and that they are indeed clueless.
Frankly, we have been more on our guard in places like Rio than in MEX. We would not hesitate to return. Yet, we constantly hear, even from educated friends "are you really going to Mexico?" Not much to respond to such a question, except to realize their absence means less crowded locales in MEX, and that they are indeed clueless.
#64
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Update
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...rbriefs13.html
Here´s last Saturday´s newspaper report. The cruise lines have stopped going into Mazatlan, not for any reason, but strictly as a precaution. The cruise terminal is located in a fairly seedy part of town, and when we go there, we are careful......much the same as when we go to many areas of Chicago, or to a five star hotel on East Hastings St. in Vancouver.
As others have pointed out, try to keep things in balance, and listen to people who have visited the area recently rather than those who just talk about it from afar. I, for example, would not go to Juarez for any reason. We are however going to Mazatlan this Thursday for 5 days, and I know that we will have a wonderful time. We stay at the Royal Villas Resort, and it is just a super place. It is a comfortable 6 hour drive from Puerto Vallarta, where we live. We´re going to grab some sun, and if we have a chance take in some deep sea fishing..........and eat lots of local prawns.
Here´s last Saturday´s newspaper report. The cruise lines have stopped going into Mazatlan, not for any reason, but strictly as a precaution. The cruise terminal is located in a fairly seedy part of town, and when we go there, we are careful......much the same as when we go to many areas of Chicago, or to a five star hotel on East Hastings St. in Vancouver.
As others have pointed out, try to keep things in balance, and listen to people who have visited the area recently rather than those who just talk about it from afar. I, for example, would not go to Juarez for any reason. We are however going to Mazatlan this Thursday for 5 days, and I know that we will have a wonderful time. We stay at the Royal Villas Resort, and it is just a super place. It is a comfortable 6 hour drive from Puerto Vallarta, where we live. We´re going to grab some sun, and if we have a chance take in some deep sea fishing..........and eat lots of local prawns.
All in all, a wonderful trip.
Later this week........it´s off to Florida to watch some spring training baseball and practice mi español.
#65
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/03/28...ex.html?hpt=C2
Looks like the violence is definitely keeping the tourists away!
Looks like the violence is definitely keeping the tourists away!
#66
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Just back from Mexico, stayed for a conference in Cancun, where delegates from 120 countries attended a World summit on Drug control. If they have the cojones to go to Mexico, shouldn't the general public ?
Security was tight, very overt, with lots of federal police visible, including helicopters flying around the venue with police troops hanging out of the side.
As it was, all hotels were reporting around 87% occupancy, at the start of the US spring break.
Security was tight, very overt, with lots of federal police visible, including helicopters flying around the venue with police troops hanging out of the side.
As it was, all hotels were reporting around 87% occupancy, at the start of the US spring break.
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It kept us away for awhile.. I do have something booked for the Mayan Riviera.
Is it safe to do a rental vehicle and travel around the tourist popular places.. or is it safer getting a transfer to a hotel and taking tour buses. I'm considering renting a vehicle for the two weeks we'll be down there.
Is it safe to do a rental vehicle and travel around the tourist popular places.. or is it safer getting a transfer to a hotel and taking tour buses. I'm considering renting a vehicle for the two weeks we'll be down there.
#69
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It kept us away for awhile.. I do have something booked for the Mayan Riviera.
Is it safe to do a rental vehicle and travel around the tourist popular places.. or is it safer getting a transfer to a hotel and taking tour buses. I'm considering renting a vehicle for the two weeks we'll be down there.
Is it safe to do a rental vehicle and travel around the tourist popular places.. or is it safer getting a transfer to a hotel and taking tour buses. I'm considering renting a vehicle for the two weeks we'll be down there.
For tourists with significant familiarity with the country, renting a car is okay, but the fact that you're asking this question tells me that you don't yet have this familiarity...
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I would not recommend renting a car -- not because of concerns with crime, but because of the difficulty dealing with Mexican law enforcement officers, traffic laws, road conditions, and driving practices. Public transport in Mexico is above-average and taxis are cheap in most areas (although taxi prices might be artificially high when arranged through expensive hotels.)
For tourists with significant familiarity with the country, renting a car is okay, but the fact that you're asking this question tells me that you don't yet have this familiarity...
For tourists with significant familiarity with the country, renting a car is okay, but the fact that you're asking this question tells me that you don't yet have this familiarity...
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When I am in other places in Mexico, and I rent cars, I bite the bullet, and buy their overpriced insurance package. I´ve never had an accident in a rental car, but if I do, I´m sure that I´d be ok with the insurance coverage. Moving violations are another story.......and they could take up an entire thread unto themselves.
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If you are going to drive, check out some websites for driving tips:
http://69.73.170.179/ph5/read.php?17,29623,29623
http://www.go2mexico.com/mexico_articles/driving.php
#73
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Also, if you're going to rent a car for two weeks but only go 3 places, you'll be wasting a ton of money. If you buy adequate insurance (see two posts previously), a decent car would cost around $60-$70 US a day...
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The only chance of a problem would, or course, be in the case of an accident. In case of an accident in Mexico, they take statements from both drivers. Should there be no agreement of fault, they will likely impound both cars, and a judge will hear the case in a few days, and decide who is at fault. I have had one accident in Mexico, (in my own car), and the other party was a national. He claimed that the accident was my fault. I carry good insurance (which does not increase with a claim), so I just said that his story sounded good to me, and turned everything over to my insurance agent.
When I am in other places in Mexico, and I rent cars, I bite the bullet, and buy their overpriced insurance package. I´ve never had an accident in a rental car, but if I do, I´m sure that I´d be ok with the insurance coverage. Moving violations are another story.......and they could take up an entire thread unto themselves.
When I am in other places in Mexico, and I rent cars, I bite the bullet, and buy their overpriced insurance package. I´ve never had an accident in a rental car, but if I do, I´m sure that I´d be ok with the insurance coverage. Moving violations are another story.......and they could take up an entire thread unto themselves.
The insurance needs to be a special insurance and I read up about how accidents work.. Weird.. I hope I don't get into an accident, but if I do and I rent a vehicle, at least I will be prepared.. I've never had an accident renting a vehicle, so hopefully it doesn't happen on this trip if we decide to rent a vehicle.
The traffic laws are probably mostly the same as what you're used to, but the unfamiliar aspects of driving are what will hurt you. Hard-to-see obstacles and hazards are far more common in Mexico than what you would be used to in Canada or the US, and the local driving style is far more aggressive and (in my opinion) unforgiving of those who are unaware. For example, in the US, if you turn on your left turn signal while driving on a two-lane highway and prep for a left turn, traffic behind you will stop or pass on the right shoulder. In Mexico, traffic behind you will sometimes pass on the LEFT at full speed in the same situation, setting you up for quite a serious accident if you execute the turn without looking behind you while you do it. In general, while driving on two-lane highways, other drivers are very unforgiving of slower traffic (aggressive tailgating is almost mandatory, and sometimes drivers will attempt same-lane passing forcing everyone else onto the shoulder). You could try to keep up with them, but this makes you vulnerable to being stopped by police who pursue bribes from tourists (it's not uncommon for traffic to be moving 30 KM/h above the speed limit, but this doesn't excuse you if you're stopped by the police.) When driving within cities, many intersections will lack traffic signals or signs of any kind, leaving the right-of-way to local custom. In cities, almost all streets are one-way (even many boulevards are one-way, with both sides moving in the same direction, also in the small towns and villages, one-way streets are often unmarked, leaving you to guess which way traffic is going to go.) On two-way streets within cities, assume that left turns are never allowed unless you see evidence to the contrary. Cyclists are everywhere (even on roads where traffic moves at high speed), and it's your responsibility to watch for them.
If you are going to drive, check out some websites for driving tips:
http://69.73.170.179/ph5/read.php?17,29623,29623
http://www.go2mexico.com/mexico_articles/driving.php
If you are going to drive, check out some websites for driving tips:
http://69.73.170.179/ph5/read.php?17,29623,29623
http://www.go2mexico.com/mexico_articles/driving.php
Will have to weigh benefits and drawbacks.. If I get a decent deal and insurance isn't like crazy over budget, then it'll make sense, otherwise, just go and enjoy a relaxing holiday taking tours on a bus!
#75
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I read up on the insurance.. I called Alamo international reservations but they were closed. A minivan retail is running $1,100 for the two weeks. Quite a few vehicles available so renting a vehicle must be adequatly common place. We are considering just transfering to the hotel, and taking a similar time share presentation where they transfer you all over the place, and plus three tours just for showing up at their presentation. We'll have to see.. other vehicle types can run as low as $300-$400 for the time period.. so maybe downgrade and add insurance?
My rule of thumb is to accept all insurance offered...not only to protect you in case of an accident, but also to protect you from the scam where, upon returning the car, they "find" minor damage that was present before, and then overcharge you for fixing it. There's no easy way to dispute the damage in this situation because they already have your credit card voucher, and you're probably in a hurry to make your flight.
(and be sure to keep your cool during the AGGRESSIVE timeshare presentations!)