2009 Program Changes -- the good, the bad and the ugly
Oct 21, 2008, 10:43 am
#61
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 173
MR Gold
As a MR Gold who likes to redeem at premium properties with travel packages the changes are a serious devaluation to the program. I can only hope that Marriott listens to the feedback and realizes that most of us do have a choice in where we take our stays. Unlike my relationship with DL here in ATL, I can easily switch programs.
Oct 21, 2008, 10:44 am
#62
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: Marriott Plat since 2008. Hyatt Diamond since 2015
Posts: 133
With Hilton's double dip, wouldn't it make sense to switch to Hilton? It should make up for the free night if you requested points only.
Oct 21, 2008, 11:03 am
#63
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: MA.
Posts: 96
Another Gold, with no shot at making platinum, unhappy with the program 'enhancement'. I'll make a serious push to move my business stays to SPG, I've been wanting to align my business and leisure programs anyway.
Oct 21, 2008, 11:25 am
#64
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: KOA
Programs: DL Gold/MM, HH Diamond, Hyatt Explorist, IHG Platinum, Marriott Lifetime Gold
Posts: 2,280
Based on feedback from our members? I don't recall being asked about these "enhancements." Were any of our FT members consulted on this?
Oct 21, 2008, 11:29 am
#65
Join Date: Feb 2005
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium (former PP), Hilton Silver, UA Silver, AS Member, Hertz 5*
Posts: 3,906
The feedback must have come from all the non-elite or lower elite members who did not like paying the 100 % premium for the non-standard awards. If it had come from FT, it would have been a resounding no.
Oct 21, 2008, 11:32 am
#66
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: MSP
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium, UA Silver, Hertz 5*
Posts: 913
The "enhancements" were...
There was a thread awhile ago (Do a search) where improvements like the 50% point bonus for Plats and something else was thrown out. The huge point devaluations were most certainly not. We were definitely not asked whether we would be willing to pay this price to get the 50% bonus, that much I am sure.
Oct 21, 2008, 11:33 am
#67
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Toronto (YYZ)
Posts: 6,279
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...hlight=enhance
Lots of "feedback" found there. If Marriott was really listening to its members they would have gone through that thread with a fine tooth comb.
Oct 21, 2008, 11:34 am
#68
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Smellington, NZ
Programs: AA EXP 2MM, UA 2P, Marriott LTPP
Posts: 1,453
I will agree that the changes are enhancements for some members. However, the members for whom the changes are beneficial are those members who travel only occassionally or perhaps the road warrior "light" crowd. Those of us putting serious $ in Marriott's pockets are getting screwed the +2 points 50% bonus is a joke considering how much redemption rates are being inflated. Golds and silvers would be well advised to jump off this sinking ship.
Oct 21, 2008, 11:39 am
#69
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 30,585
I will agree that the changes are enhancements for some members. However, the members for whom the changes are beneficial are those members who travel only occassionally or perhaps the road warrior "light" crowd. Those of us putting serious $ in Marriott's pockets are getting screwed the +2 points 50% bonus is a joke considering how much redemption rates are being inflated. Golds and silvers would be well advised to jump off this sinking ship.
I'm a 2-4 night vacation type (like to do them shorter and more often).
Oct 21, 2008, 11:43 am
#70
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 42
When Hilton "devalued" their points last year, everyone over there got up in arms.
Marriott is just keeping up with the Jones'. SPG will probably do the same next year.
I do like that there are no Blackout dates now. With far too many of the initial choices that I looked for having no Standard availability, I will welcome the changes.
Now Hilton and Marriott are basically the same and I will keep Diamond and Platinum with both, but I do like (new?) Citi Visa where you get 6 points at Hilton so that will be 21 points per dollar (when using Points+BonusPoints)
Marriott is just keeping up with the Jones'. SPG will probably do the same next year.
I do like that there are no Blackout dates now. With far too many of the initial choices that I looked for having no Standard availability, I will welcome the changes.
Now Hilton and Marriott are basically the same and I will keep Diamond and Platinum with both, but I do like (new?) Citi Visa where you get 6 points at Hilton so that will be 21 points per dollar (when using Points+BonusPoints)
Oct 21, 2008, 11:45 am
#71
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Whitehall, PA, USA
Programs: HHonors Gold
Posts: 580
Oct 21, 2008, 11:54 am
#72
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Smellington, NZ
Programs: AA EXP 2MM, UA 2P, Marriott LTPP
Posts: 1,453
Those of us smart enough to know what the points are really worth and what value they can bring when doing travel packages or 7 night category 7 stays will, of course, know that we are getting a royal screwjob.
Oct 21, 2008, 11:55 am
#73
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Thousand Oaks, Ca., USA
Programs: AA Lifetime Plat; Bonvoy Titanium Lifetime Elite;Hyatt Globalist; HHonors Diamond; United Silver
Posts: 8,319
I agree that the characterization of these as enhancements is borderline insulting.
Oct 21, 2008, 12:00 pm
#74
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Bay Area
Programs: HH, PC, SPG, MR, GP, US, UA, AA
Posts: 3,466
Even with the double dip, Hilton Diamond members will earn 20 points per dollar (using the Hilton CC) - same as Marriott Platinum in 2009...But with Hilton, your Diamond arrival gift is 1,000 points at Hilton and Doubletree hotels, and 750 at HGI, as opposed to 500 with Marriott and Renaissance and 200 with Courtyard. On top of that, you will earn 500 airline miles per stay.
- W/double dip, HH diamond earns 25pts/$, (10 base + 5 elite bonus + 5 double dip + 5 CC).
- The 1k & 750 HH gift pts are different from the MR arrival gift, if you pick the HH gift pts, you will forfeit your upgrade privileges (at HH & DT) & comped breakfast (HGI).
Oct 21, 2008, 12:11 pm
#75
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA
Programs: UA 2P, AA LT Gold, Marriott LT Titanium
Posts: 3,159
I did the math and based on my earnings last year under the new structure I would have earned 420K points vs 391K, an increase of 7.6%. For starters, earning 50% plat bonus vs 30% is not a 20% increase, going from 130% of base to 150% of base is only a 15.4% increase, then you have to factor in all the Megabonuses, Plat arrival gifts, CC earnings that do not get any better.
Looking at all the awards I have cashed in over the years (4!) I would have spent 10.3% more under the new structure. That is because I was forced to pay 315K points for a travel package at Vail Marriott.
To me that isn't too bad a hit, at least for Plats. The proof will be in the pudding, whether "bad boy" properties REALLY adhere to the no blackout dates or hide behind some sort of scam wrt availability.
I agree with one of the previous posters - retool the travel packages to be 5 nites plus 120K miles. Cat 6 = 5 nites for 120K plus 120K for miles = 240K. Cat 7 = 5 nites for 140K plus 120K miles for 260K. That would take a lot of the sting out of it for me, as three of my four redemptions have been for travel packages.
Looking at all the awards I have cashed in over the years (4!) I would have spent 10.3% more under the new structure. That is because I was forced to pay 315K points for a travel package at Vail Marriott.
To me that isn't too bad a hit, at least for Plats. The proof will be in the pudding, whether "bad boy" properties REALLY adhere to the no blackout dates or hide behind some sort of scam wrt availability.
I agree with one of the previous posters - retool the travel packages to be 5 nites plus 120K miles. Cat 6 = 5 nites for 120K plus 120K for miles = 240K. Cat 7 = 5 nites for 140K plus 120K miles for 260K. That would take a lot of the sting out of it for me, as three of my four redemptions have been for travel packages.