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NDDomer86 Oct 31, 2008 6:17 am

Maybe just maybe Marriott saw all the rants about "I didn't get an upgrade to the Presidential Suite so I'm going to hop ship to Starwood" and so they decided to follow suit on Starwood's redemption schedule.

makemarriottrewardslisten Oct 31, 2008 6:48 am


Originally Posted by TOMSURFER (Post 10606105)
As my previous posts testify I am really annoyed at these changes as I have a 3 million point balance which will be instantly devalued by 25% to 30%, but you cannot accuse Marriott of disinformation through a medium of a website which has disinformation itself. Your devaluation spreadsheet on the site is very inaccurate.

All the 7 night (and 14) night award comparisons are wrong in that the devaluation figures are far too high.

The category 4 night devaluation for 5 nights is wrong

All your 8 to 13 night devaluation figures are wrong as you have just doubled the 1 to 6 night figures :confused: which underestimates the devaluation. This is only an accurate formula for 7 nights v 14 nights


For example The correct comparison with the current scheme for a 8 night stay is a 7 night plus a 1 night.

You should do a common sense check - the devaluations increase as the nights increase, they don't decrease from 7nights to 8 nights.


Tom

TOMSURFER - You are absolutely correct. When I created my first spreadsheet, I was rushed and used an incorrect methodology. I appreciate that you took the time to notice this and have offered a solution. It's valued site visitors such as yourself who make hosting a spreadsheet worthwhile. I've gone ahead and repaired the bad formulas so that everyone has accurate information.

Thank you for your support!

(Don't you wish that Marriott could have handled things this way?)

http://sites.google.com/site/makemarriottlisten

Renard Oct 31, 2008 9:18 pm

Talk about extreme devaluation. I'm going to cash in my MR points and call it a day with Marriott.

Pretty bold move they're making in this economy. I wonder if it'll work out for them :eek:

TravelsLots Nov 1, 2008 6:49 pm

Cashing MR balance next year
 

Originally Posted by Renard (Post 10610812)
Talk about extreme devaluation. I'm going to cash in my MR points and call it a day with Marriott.

Pretty bold move they're making in this economy. I wonder if it'll work out for them :eek:

You wont be the only one, and I think MR wants that to happen. They fill rooms next year when travel is expected to be low, and hotel rooms empty, from one side, hence prices next year will be cheap for lack of demand, while at the same time, they lower the overall balance of points MR members spend on a lower value rooms next year (because of low demand). So that is the best MR could do. If member do not cash their points, they will pay more anyway starting Jan 15.

freeflyin Nov 1, 2008 7:09 pm


Originally Posted by TravelsLots (Post 10614357)
You wont be the only one, and I think MR wants that to happen. They fill rooms next year when travel is expected to be low, and hotel rooms empty, from one side, hence prices next year will be cheap for lack of demand, while at the same time, they lower the overall balance of points MR members spend on a lower value rooms next year (because of low demand). So that is the best MR could do. If member do not cash their points, they will pay more anyway starting Jan 15.

I might suggest to anyone who is burning their MR points for rooms before 1/15-do not spend any extra dollars at the Marriott property than you need to.I have a 10 day stay booked in Hawaii,but do not intend to have meals or any extra activities onsite. Anyone who is unhappy with these upcoming changes needs to voice it and then spend your money elsewhere.

holtju2 Nov 2, 2008 10:25 pm

Well I already redeemed 3 travel packages this year and will have enough points for one more by January 15th. Then my MR balance should be close to zero.

TrojanHorse Nov 3, 2008 4:30 am


Originally Posted by holtju2 (Post 10619500)
Well I already redeemed 3 travel packages this year and will have enough points for one more by January 15th. Then my MR balance should be close to zero.

So are you leaving Marriott

y2k1jetta Nov 3, 2008 8:24 am

trying to..
 

Originally Posted by TrojanHorse (Post 10620208)
So are you leaving Marriott

If I can find Hyatts where I go, then its back to Hyatt for me, but I need to find them, thats the Hyatt problem.

TravelsLots Nov 3, 2008 10:11 am

Replacing MR with Hyatt and *Wood
 

Originally Posted by y2k1jetta (Post 10621028)
If I can find Hyatts where I go, then its back to Hyatt for me, but I need to find them, thats the Hyatt problem.

For me, I will replace MR with Hyatt and *Wood. For the pleausre of me being a Plat in MR, I need spend 75 nights at least. I can have both top tier for the Hyatt and *Wood for the 100 nights or so I spend. Combining two different chains should give me enough coverage hotel wise, and a better flexibility for stays and redemption.

Bye bye MR and Mr. Marriott...!

TL

TrojanHorse Nov 3, 2008 11:43 am


Originally Posted by TravelsLots (Post 10621731)
For me, I will replace MR with Hyatt and *Wood. For the pleausre of me being a Plat in MR, I need spend 75 nights at least. I can have both top tier for the Hyatt and *Wood for the 100 nights or so I spend. Combining two different chains should give me enough coverage hotel wise, and a better flexibility for stays and redemption.

Bye bye MR and Mr. Marriott...!

TL

Not knowing your staying habits may make this a moot point but for me this would take away the low/cheap end hotels such as the FI's; Hyatt Place and Four Points are generally much more expensive as a low/cheap end alternative

bigguyinpasadena Nov 3, 2008 12:14 pm

The newer HIE's are just as nice as older FI's.
Also Wyndham is attempting to get back in the game and has grouped several chains together under one rewards program.
MI does not have a lock on affordable limited service lodgings.Hilton Garden Inns are often priced about the same.

y2k1jetta Nov 4, 2008 7:43 am


Originally Posted by TravelsLots (Post 10621731)
For me, I will replace MR with Hyatt and *Wood. For the pleausre of me being a Plat in MR, I need spend 75 nights at least. I can have both top tier for the Hyatt and *Wood for the 100 nights or so I spend. Combining two different chains should give me enough coverage hotel wise, and a better flexibility for stays and redemption.

Bye bye MR and Mr. Marriott...!

TL

ya know, I will have done 140 nights this year in Marriott alone, 22 in Hyatt and 5 SPG, so I just need to find more Hyatt's in my area. I just might split them between SPG and Hyatt also like you mentioned, but I love earning the points more than the perks right now as my family like rewards stays, but as we know, that is all changing.

annerj Nov 4, 2008 9:12 am


Originally Posted by bigguyinpasadena (Post 10622475)
The newer HIE's are just as nice as older FI's.
Also Wyndham is attempting to get back in the game and has grouped several chains together under one rewards program.
MI does not have a lock on affordable limited service lodgings.Hilton Garden Inns are often priced about the same.

I do a bit of travel where there are no majors but plenty of the wyndhamrewards (use to be triprewards). This stuff is usually personal and not business trips. Some of the hotels are decent enough (a few really nice ones) but there is ZERO customer service from the rewards team....or at least when they were trip rewards.

jamflyer Nov 4, 2008 7:59 pm

Not happy with the changes, but will continue with the Marriott. I have tried to change a few times but always came back. It may sound corny, but when I arrive in strange city USA or anywhere else in the world, I feel at "home" with Marriott. My company pays for all my stays, so no $$$ out of my own pocket. I have a timeshare with Marriott, which I enjoy so I am tied to Marriott. Again, not happy with the enhancement, but too darn lazy to investigate another program.

TrojanHorse Nov 5, 2008 4:54 am

I'm stuck with MR because
 
1. my favorite property is a MR property
2. the FI's continually give me low cost options that I don't get elsewhere
3. they are everywhere

on that note; I do spread the wealth as the moment i hit 75 nights I'm done

SPG gets its 25 stays
Hyatt gets its 25 stays
Radisson gets its 25 nights
even Hilton gets a few select nights on occasion


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