Marriott thinks we're stupid
#31


Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 647
Originally Posted by rkenyon
I stay at the Heathrow Marriott quite often (probably around 25 nights this year), and the points never, ever post automatically. I have to wait the obligitory 10 days, and then fax my receipts off to the London customer service centre.
I also stayed at the Renaissance at LHR a couple of weeks ago. That didn't post either.
Cheers,
Rick
I also stayed at the Renaissance at LHR a couple of weeks ago. That didn't post either.
Cheers,
Rick
I think it is a common problem with all but a few of Marriott property's in the UK, having stayed 45+ nights (all over the UK) so far this year only about 3 or 4 stays have posted automatically without me phoning MR.
On the plus side though Ive received the "Platinum Arrival Gift Bonus" of 500 points on a fair few occasions despite only being silver, soon to be gold
once Ive finished chasing them for the missing nights.
#32
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 220
Originally Posted by omadave
I completed two stays booked on Marriott.com recently. One at the Wardman Park Marriott in DC, then another consecutive stay at the Renaissance Montura at LAX. Both were booked on the website while logged in with my Rewards number. The receipts for both stays also had the last four digits of my number at the bottom. I always verify this before departure.
Originally Posted by omadave
Still, NEITHER stay had posted to my account as of two days ago after a week. I called the Gold Rewards # and got a very UNhelpful gentlman who basically argued with me that it could take weeks for the property to submit the stays and there was nothing he could do about it! He told me to fax in the statements. When I said I didn't have a fax machine he said I could go to a Kinkos and fax it from there!!

Originally Posted by omadave
After further discussion he somehow discovered that the reservations were completed in his system (whatever that means) [...]
Originally Posted by omadave
Yesterday the stay at LAX posted, but still not the first stay in DC. I waited until today and then called the # again. The person I spoke with today was more helpful. She put me on hold and called the hotel to verify. She came back on and said that the points had now been submitted by the hotel and would post within 24-48 hours.
My concern is why couldn't the first person I talked to do this in the beginning without arguing with a customer??? I would hate to see what non-elite members have to deal with if this is the "elite" service...
My concern is why couldn't the first person I talked to do this in the beginning without arguing with a customer??? I would hate to see what non-elite members have to deal with if this is the "elite" service...
1- It's written in the terms and conditions that you are required to keep your hotel receipt, verify the posting of earnings to your account, and submit missing stay requests by fax or mail within one year. (Welcome to MR!) Some of the CSRs have read the terms program (amazing enough!), and think members have to abide by them. Some will insist on receipts. Some will ask for receipts but call the hotel if you ask, and a few reps that answer will go straight to the hotel. Some you call up will dig in their heels on the terms. I read one comment here a few months ago that went like this, "If you don't like what you hear, take a deep breath, hang up, and call for the next rep." Oh, and conversing by e-mail is another matter entirely. I'm not sure what the difference is, but when you e-mail their customer service, they do not want to contact the hotel. I'm going to have to investigate what the difference there is one of these days.
2- There's 100-150 MR reps (I keep hearing different numbers), and X millions of active members. They have so many missing stay requests each day (literally thousands) that if they called every hotel every time a member called in on a missing stay, it would take enough extra time that the number of answered calls would drop dramatically. On another topic here on this forum, someone was listing MI's profits and mentioning that hiring a few extra CSRs would help. I think that paying to fix their MIS systems for MR would help far more than any number of extra CSRs. Fewer missing stays = fewer phone calls. After that, they should pay them more to stop the enormous turnover they experience; though that goes for the front line hotel personnel earning minimum wage or barely above it, as well.
No, I don't like taking care of missing stays. But it has been this way since the beginning of the program back in 1983. It has not changed one whit since then. Twenty-two years of missing stays, and I despair of it ever changing.
#33
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 220
Originally Posted by dash
I agree, isn't that is what customer service is for????
Instead of backtracking and calling the hotel directly yourself; and/or faxing in your receipt. If Customer Service could just make the call for you and verify....all would be good.
Unless, there are soooo many unrecorded stays, then hey I undertstand
Instead of backtracking and calling the hotel directly yourself; and/or faxing in your receipt. If Customer Service could just make the call for you and verify....all would be good.
Unless, there are soooo many unrecorded stays, then hey I undertstand
I have never heard a figure for phone calls and e-mails, but with that many faxes, it can't be a small number.
Originally Posted by dash
....but then; if that is the case, then there is a real problem!
And the solution, as far as MR is concerned, has been written into their terms and conditions for many years. Keep your receipts, verify your earnings, and fax your receipts when earnings are missing.
#34
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 220
Originally Posted by kryten22uk
Do Marriott purposefully withhold Rewards points for stays in the hope that some people cannot be bothered to check or to chase it up? It definitely seems this way.
I stayed in Marriotts 3 times in October and none of them posted to my account. I called the customer service and they said they will contact the hotel. 3 days later and no progression, as they are "waiting for a fax", they said call back in a couple fo days; how long does it take to send a fax!!
I stayed in Marriotts 3 times in October and none of them posted to my account. I called the customer service and they said they will contact the hotel. 3 days later and no progression, as they are "waiting for a fax", they said call back in a couple fo days; how long does it take to send a fax!!
There are two big reasons points don't post as far as I know.
1- Training.
2- Computer Systems.
I think their computer systems are badly in need of some kind of update that puts points on your account at the moment of check-out, and not a second after.
When the points printed on the bottom of your receipt are actually what is on your account, and includes the updated balance . . . things will be where they need to be.
Because the computer systems aren't where they need to be, then training becomes the tough part. When a hotel is desparate to staff somebody, it will take any warm body. Frequently, as soon as they're trained, the bodies disappear. How can the hotels keep people who know how to run the hotel's basic business, much less the MR program aspects, with the kind of turnover some of them get? I shudder to think what kind of nightmare this must be for hotel and regional hotel (or franchise/unit) management.

