[If "25 brands have breakfast" rumor is true] Speculation As To Which 5 Will Not
Apr 9, 2018, 7:18 pm
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I checked out the Marriott website with information on their different brands: Marriott Hotel Brands Marriott International.
If we count RC Reserve and RC separately, wouldn't there be 31 brands in total (Marriott counts RC and RC Reserve as one)? So if the information is true that only 25 brands will have elite breakfast, there would actually be six going without.
If we count RC Reserve and RC separately, wouldn't there be 31 brands in total (Marriott counts RC and RC Reserve as one)? So if the information is true that only 25 brands will have elite breakfast, there would actually be six going without.
As I've noted, four of the potential non-participants are fairly obvious: Bulgari, MVC, ExecuStay, and Design. MVC and ExecuStay don't have the setup to provide breakfast in many circumstances and Bulgari and Design have been exempt from the program.
As for the rest, they all have a brand at a comparable level and it wouldn't make sense to offer breakfast in one brand but not the other.
Then again, not everything is logical.
Apr 9, 2018, 7:58 pm
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I am going with the following 5 remaining with no breakfast:
1) Ex. Apts 2) Vacation Club 3) Ritz 4) Design 5) Courtyard
1) Ex. Apts 2) Vacation Club 3) Ritz 4) Design 5) Courtyard
Apr 9, 2018, 8:20 pm
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That doesn't work ... Bulgari doesn't give breakfast now. Neither does Edition. It's also my impression that Protea doesn't. So that's at least 8 that don't have it now.
Apr 9, 2018, 8:34 pm
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I'll put my money on Marriott Vacation Club, Executive Apartments, Design Hotels, Bulgari, and Gaylord.
Apr 9, 2018, 8:36 pm
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They could give a coupon for a "choice" of breakfast or points.
Apr 9, 2018, 8:39 pm
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I’ve been watching this particular point very closely and here is what I’ve gathered from the countless interviews and statements they’ve been putting out: they have gone out of their way to assure us that none of the current brands are going anywhere and that the 30 we see now will still be the same 30 going forward. They see strength in their variety and have been working to delineate the brands since a lot of them were competitors pre-merger [especially the independent collection brands of Luxury Collection, Autograph Collection and Tribute Portfolio - which have now been defined with LC as the five-star brand, Autograph as the four-star and Tribute as the three/four-star range].
Marriott hasn’t ruled out acquiring/launching more brands going forward, but they’ll only evaluate that possibility once they’ve gotten the 30 current brands in their portfolio lined up as well as the loyalty program and other issues related to the merger. By the look of things, they’ve made great time and things might be getting interesting again very soon.
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With tougher brand standards, Sheraton expects to drop about 30 hotels: Travel Weekly
Apr 9, 2018, 8:43 pm
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That might be the right five. Gaylor doesn't really have a peer brand within Marriott where the absence of a breakfast benefit would stand out. I guess they don't have the breakfast now. Haven't really stayed there ... it's the only "badge" I don't have.
Apr 9, 2018, 8:43 pm
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Don't forget that Marriott International has de-flagged a bunch of Sheraton properties from legacy Starwood. It came out to 6,000 rooms in 2017 and 4,000 rooms in 2018 (about 30 properties).
With tougher brand standards, Sheraton expects to drop about 30 hotels: Travel Weekly
With tougher brand standards, Sheraton expects to drop about 30 hotels: Travel Weekly
Is there a list of the hotels that have been deflagged?
Apr 9, 2018, 8:45 pm
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If "25 brands have breakfast" rumor is true] Speculation As To Which 5 Will Not
The 5 you want the most!
The 5 you want the most!
Apr 9, 2018, 9:15 pm
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A good place to start might be a list of the current elite breakfast benefit at 30 Marriott brands (Marriott Legacy and Starwood legacy). This list does not account for specific properties that are exceptions to the rule.
5 brands with breakfast for all guests included in the regular room rate (no special breakfast benefit for elite members):
Starting with a list of 31 Marriott brands, including Ritz Carlton Reserve, then that would be the logical fifth brand.
5 brands with breakfast for all guests included in the regular room rate (no special breakfast benefit for elite members):
- Fairfield Inn
- SpringHill Suites
- Residence Inn
- Towneplace Suites
- Element
- Marriott
- Renaissance
- JW Marriott
- Autograph Collection
- Delta Hotels
- Westin
- Sheraton
- The Luxury Collection
- Four Points by Sheraton
- W Hotels
- St. Regis
- Le Méridien
- Aloft
- Tribute Portfolio
- Design Hotels
- Ritz-Carlton
- Edition
- Marriott Vacation Club
- Marriott Executive Apartments
- Gaylord Hotels
- Bulgari Hotels
- Courtyard
- AC Hotels
- MOXY
- Protea Hotels
- Design Hotels
- Marriott Vacation Club
- Marriott Executive Apartments
- Bulgari Hotels
Starting with a list of 31 Marriott brands, including Ritz Carlton Reserve, then that would be the logical fifth brand.
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Apr 9, 2018, 10:19 pm
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If you count Ritz Carlton Reserve as a separate brand, perhaps we should also count African Pride as one.
Apr 9, 2018, 10:37 pm
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I can't really compare either one but Ritz Carton Reserve doesn't currently participate in MR while African Pride does. Doesn't make sense to me but it is what it is.
Apr 9, 2018, 10:49 pm
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In late 2016, Marriott released a chart with 31 logos to categorize its 30 brands. The 31st brand was Ritz-Carlton Reserve. It was widely published at the time. For example: https://www.hotelmanagement.net/oper...more-confusing
Marriott likes to promote its 30 brands. In reality, there are more.
Although Marriott counts Protea as just one of its 30 brands, Protea actually consists of three brands: Protea Hotels, African Pride, and Protea Hotel Fire & Ice.
Although Marriott counts Marriott Vacation Club as one brand, Marriott's timeshare spinoff (Marriott Vacations Worldwide) actually operates four brands licensed from Marriott: Marriott Vacation Club, Marriott Vacation Club Pulse, The Ritz-Carlton Destination Club, and Grand Residences by Marriott.
Although Marriott ignores Starwood legacy vacation clubs entirely in its list of brands, Vistana Signature Experiences operates two brands licensed from Marriott (originally from Starwood): Sheraton Vacation Club and Westin Vacation Club. These participate in SPG, but not like regular Sheraton and Westin properties.
Marriott Rewards members earn points for stays at any ExecuStay location in the U.S. There was time when ExecuStay showed up in lists of Marriott brands, but it not longer does. (ExecuStay is a brand of Oakwood Worldwide.)
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Apr 10, 2018, 12:50 am
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A good place to start might be a list of the current elite breakfast benefit at 30 Marriott brands (Marriott Legacy and Starwood legacy). This list does not account for specific properties that are exceptions to the rule.
Starting with a list of 31 Marriott brands, including Ritz Carlton Reserve, then that would be the logical fifth brand.
Starting with a list of 31 Marriott brands, including Ritz Carlton Reserve, then that would be the logical fifth brand.