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kyanar Jan 10, 2018 2:39 pm


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 29274736)
What about the blood bank that gave Marriott PP with a single donation? Or the Ford dealership that gave Marriott LTP with a Fusion test drive?

You seem to love to posit an outlier as the mass representation of the brand. While ignoring actual valid points. Source or it didn't happen.

Actually, all banks in the Asia Pacific region used to give you SPG Gold for one year after a single stay with their World MasterCards (which usually carry an annual fee around $250 USD after conversion), though I believe it was a MasterCard APAC promotion not run by the banks. It came to an end in July 2017, and importantly unlike the Amex Plat SPG Gold, it was only a single year - to retain it you had to meet stay requirements. So it probably had no real impact at all.

caburrito Jan 10, 2018 2:40 pm


Originally Posted by hockeyinsider (Post 29275789)
So many of you are also missing the point that the SPG status challenge would grant someone status to February 2020. That's also significant because until now all indications and reports were that Marriott would announce a new combined program sometime in 2018 that would begin in 2019. Extending status a full year past the potential start date of a new combined Marriott, Ritz-Carlton and SPG program strikes me as unusual, unless it's an indication that the combining of programs has been delayed.

I'd consider this the formal-informal announcement to the end of the SPG program. February 2020.

TennisNoob Jan 10, 2018 3:01 pm

Not just plat but Gold also flooding all the Mariott lounges.

Amex Platinum card holders are auto SPG gold, spend 30k on SPG card, or RewardsPlus with UA.

hockeyinsider Jan 10, 2018 3:59 pm


Originally Posted by TennisNoob (Post 29276314)
Not just plat but Gold also flooding all the Mariott lounges.

Amex Platinum card holders are auto SPG gold, spend 30k on SPG card, or RewardsPlus with UA.

You know there is an issue when the list of Marriott elites is three pages long on a random Saturday night at the Renaissance in Toledo, Ohio.

controller1 Jan 10, 2018 4:39 pm


Originally Posted by hockeyinsider (Post 29275789)
So many of you are also missing the point that the SPG status challenge would grant someone status to February 2020. That's also significant because until now all indications and reports were that Marriott would announce a new combined program sometime in 2018 that would begin in 2019. Extending status a full year past the potential start date of a new combined Marriott, Ritz-Carlton and SPG program strikes me as unusual, unless it's an indication that the combining of programs has been delayed.

That is normal. If one earns (via normal or challenge) Elite status in Year 1, they maintain that status through the end of February Year 3. If one earns Marriott Elite status in 2018, will they not also maintain that status through the normal expiration date in 2020?

viperbrown Jan 10, 2018 5:46 pm

Not everyone is eligible for this status match challenge so at least those folks won't be flooding. We earned Gold the hard way in 2016 so we aren't eligible for the Plat challenge. Sucks.

CORRECTION: I take that back. On reading further, as an SPG Gold from 2016 we are not eligible for the Gold challenge. Plat challenge is still open.

"Eligibility: Status Challenges are not available to members who have earned SPG elite-level status within the five years prior to the current year. Specifically, SPG members who earned Gold or Platinum status in or after 2013 are not eligible for the Gold Status Challenge, and SPG members who earned Platinum in or after 2013 are not eligible for the Platinum Status Challenge. "

CommentatusMaximus Jan 10, 2018 6:18 pm

I believe those of us on the SPG side were reading this as the official end of the SPG challenge as it's only available through the end of June now whereas it use to be available at any time.

Srisarin Jan 10, 2018 6:22 pm

Or is this a signal that the new T&Cs for the combined upcoming program will be announced on or about 1 July (and like rollover nights challenges will be discontinued due in part to the already heavy number of elites) ?


Originally Posted by CommentatusMaximus (Post 29276972)
I believe those of us on the SPG side were reading this as the official end of the SPG challenge as it's only available through the end of June now whereas it use to be available at any time.


bhrubin Jan 10, 2018 6:57 pm

I’m wildly entertained by the number of Marriott Golds and Plats who think people are doing SPG Platinum challenges in order to garner Marriott Platinum status. You know, because Marriott Platinum status is so much better than SPG Platinum status...NOT.

The reason so many people are considering the SPG Plat challenge is because it is ending in June and because SPG Platinum is superior at SPG hotels than Marriott Plat (and Plat Premier) is at Marriott and Ritz Carlton hotels.

SPG Plat25, the entry level Platinum status (by 25 stays) gives breakfast benefit at every hotel brand that has a restaurant or lounge, even all of the SPG luxury brands like St Regis, W, and Luxury Collection. It also provides room upgrades up to and including standard suites. SPG Platinum allows upgrades to the best room categories available when suites aren’t available.

Marriott Platinum doesn’t give any breakfast benefit at Ritz Carlton, Edition, or any of the less upscale Marriott brands—only at JW for its luxury brands, and Autograph, Renaissance, Marriott for its upper upscale Brands...and Delta. It doesn’t give any upgrade benefit at Ritz Carlton or Edition Hotels, and only gives room upgrade benefits at the other brands—not even to best room categories.

Marriott Platinums worried about lounge crowding should first wonder about the more abundant Marriott Golds that also are allowed such access. It isn’t any SPG Platinum quantity causing overcrowding at Marriott lunges. That’s just laughably impossible.

Heck, the only reason Marriott Platinums and Gold enjoys 4 pm late checkout is because Marriott matched SPG. I think some Marriott loyalists are blind to the blatant truth.

To top it all off, SPG Plat25 have more guaranteed perks and benefits at SPG hotels than even Marriott Platinum Premiers have at Marriott hotels! It isn’t even close.

Food for thought. I think many in this thread are really starved.

Srisarin Jan 10, 2018 7:12 pm

Or are those folks seeking out SPG P challenge because it’s easier to fulfill then the Marriott challenge for P which seems difficult or impossible these says to obtain so they do SPG to match to MR ?

And when you brag about the SPG P breakfast, which is only a limited entitlement for which you give up bonus points, which you've repeatedly posted you don't partake in, tell us about the breakfaat SPG Gs get - oh, you mean prisoners get it but SPG Gs don’t get squat, but MR Gs due at FS and llimited other props.


Originally Posted by bhrubin (Post 29277076)
I’m wildly entertained by the number of Marriott Golds and Plats who think people are doing SPG Platinum challenges in order to garner Marriott Platinum status. You know, because Marriott Platinum status is so much better than SPG Platinum status...NOT.

The reason so many people are considering the SPG Plat challenge is because it is ending in June and because SPG Platinum is superior at SPG hotels than Marriott Plat (and Plat Premier) at Marriott and Ritz Carlton hotels.

SPG Plat25, the entry level Platinum status (by 25 stays) gives breakfast benefit at every hotel brand that has a restaurant or lounge, even all of the SPG luxury brands like St Regis, W, and Luxury Collection. It also provides room upgrades up to and including standard suites. SPG Platinum allows upgrades to the best room categories available when suites aren’t available.

Marriott Platinum doesn’t give any breakfast benefit at Ritz Carlton, Edition, or any of the less upscale Marriott brands—only at JW for its luxury brands, and Autograph, Renaissance, Marriott for its upper upscale Brands...and Delta. It doesn’t give any upgrade benefit at Ritz Carlton or Edition Hotels, and only gives room upgrade benefits at the other brands—not even to best room categories.

Marriott Platinums worried about lounge crowding should first wonder about the more abundant Marriott Golds that also are allowed such access. It isn’t any SPG Platinum quantity causing overcrowding at Marriott lunges. That’s just laughably impossible.

Heck, the only reason Marriott Platinums and Gold enjoys 4 pm late checkout is because Marriott matched SPG. I think some Marriott loyalists are blind to the blatant truth.

To top it all off, SPG Plat25 have more guaranteed perks and benefits at SPG hotels than even Marriott Platinum Premiers have at Marriott hotels! It isn’t even close.

Food for thought. I think many in this thread are really starved.


UA-NYC Jan 10, 2018 7:23 pm


Originally Posted by Srisarin (Post 29277105)
Or are those folks seeking out SPG P challenge because it’s easier to fulfill then the Marriott challenge for P which seems difficult or impossible these says to obtain so they do SPG to match to MR ?

So let me get this straight, with your logic:
  • SPG's Plat is easier to qualify than MR's because it's 25 stays vs. 75 nights
  • SPG's Plat challenge is easier to make than MR's because it's 18 nights vs. 9 stays
Can't have it both ways

bhrubin Jan 10, 2018 7:31 pm


Originally Posted by Srisarin (Post 29277105)
Or are those folks seeking out SPG P challenge because it’s easier to fulfill then the Marriott challenge for P which seems difficult or impossible these says to obtain so they do SPG to match to MR ?


That is possible, of course. But with the credit card nights (15 or even 30 nights if you have both credit cards, versus 5 or 10 nights with the SPG cards) and credit card spend (which isn't possible beyond Gold for SPG), it is a lot easier to reach 75 nights than you pretend. Not to mention the obviously bigger portfolio of properties from which to avail oneself with Marriott. Marriott has what 4000 properties to SPG's 1200 or so?


And when you brag about the SPG P breakfast, which is only a limited entitlement for which you give up bonus points, which you've repeatedly posted you don't partake in, tell us about the breakfaat SPG Gs get - oh, you mean prisoners get it but SPG Gs don’t get squat, but MR Gs due at FS and llimited other props.
I mention the SPG Plat breakfast benefit. It is true that you have a choice between bonus points and breakfast benefit with SPG, but there is no breakfast option at all at most of the Marriott brands...and only JW of the luxury brands. If it's limited with SPG, it's non-existent with Marriott. Also, sorry, but you can earn SPG points on food/beverage spend at all SPG brands unlike at many Marriott brands, especially Ritz Carlton and Edition.

I do partake in the SPG Plat breakfast benefit when I travel with my husband and/or mother, as well as with friends. I prefer to order room service when I travel alone. However, on my most recent Dec stays at the StR Houston and StR San Francisco, I was allowed to take the breakfast benefit by room service! So I STILL got a major benefit. That isn't guaranteed, of course...but rather is just another example of the perks of being Plat with SPG and Plat100, in particular. (Marriott Plat Premiers dont't enjoy even remotely as good perks.)

CIT85 Jan 10, 2018 8:00 pm


Originally Posted by hockeyinsider (Post 29275938)
Enjoy your Sheraton.

No, I'm enjoying Hyatt Lounges, which beat the pants off Marriott Lounges in the US.

hockeyinsider Jan 10, 2018 8:07 pm


Originally Posted by bhrubin (Post 29277076)
Marriott Platinum doesn’t give any breakfast benefit at Ritz Carlton, Edition, or any of the less upscale Marriott brands—only at JW for its luxury brands, and Autograph, Renaissance, Marriott for its upper upscale Brands...and Delta. It doesn’t give any upgrade benefit at Ritz Carlton or Edition Hotels, and only gives room upgrade benefits at the other brands—not even to best room categories.

Fake news.

"Complimentary Room Upgrade: Upgrades are based on room availability at check-in and limited to a member's personal guestroom. Upgrades may include rooms with desirable views, rooms on high floors, corner rooms, rooms with special amenities and rooms on Executive Floors. Suites are included for Platinum members only. Rooms with direct Club Lounge access are excluded. All upgrades are granted on a space-available basis, as determined at the time of check-in. Upgrades are subject to availability and identified by each hotel."

https://www.marriott.com/rewards/terms/elite.mi

bhrubin Jan 10, 2018 8:18 pm


Originally Posted by hockeyinsider (Post 29277271)
Fake news.

"Complimentary Room Upgrade: Upgrades are based on room availability at check-in and limited to a member's personal guestroom. Upgrades may include rooms with desirable views, rooms on high floors, corner rooms, rooms with special amenities and rooms on Executive Floors. Suites are included for Platinum members only. Rooms with direct Club Lounge access are excluded. All upgrades are granted on a space-available basis, as determined at the time of check-in. Upgrades are subject to availability and identified by each hotel."

https://www.marriott.com/rewards/terms/elite.mi

Thanks for clarifying.

While suites “are included” for MR Platinums, the terms clearly do not indicate that any Platinums are entitled to any suite—just that upgrades may include them.

That isn’t the same thing as the SPG Platinum standard suite guarantee . The Marriott Platinum language may include suites, but it is no more guaranteed now than it was before that language was added. It’s still strictly at the hotel’s discretion.

Also, that Marriott Platinum suite “inclusion” isn’t extended to any brands outside JW Marriott, Marriott, Renaissance, and Delta hotels, thereby excluding the best Ritz Carlton and Edition brands.. That is unlike SPG, which includes St Regis, Luxury Collection, and W hotels with the SPG Platinum suite upgrade benefit. Not even close.

In the end, a mere entry level Plat25 is entitled to be upgraded to a standard suite at even a St Regis hotel...while a Marriott Platinum Premier, supposedly equivalent to Plat100, is entitled to nothing more than a room upgrade and might be upgraded to a suite only at the discretion of the hotel--but only at JW Marriott, Marriott, Renaissance, and Delta hotels. Not even close.

Sorry, but SPG Platinum guarantees a suite upgrade based on availability, and does so for every brand. Marriott Platinum still doesn’t do that, and doesn’t even include its best brands!

Also, SPG Platinum upgrades include club/lounge room privileges. Marriott Platinum upgrades do not.

SPG Platinum still wins in a not-so-close contest. Not fake at all.


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