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SightseeMC Jun 20, 2018 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by SimpleManToo (Post 29882011)
So I am curious about T & P packages at Any Marriott Property, Any Where in the world. What is the best way to maximize this program given you have airfare and hotels up to category 8? What T & P packages have been the readers most enjoyable experiences at any type of destination. I am looking to utilize a T & P package in 2019 and want to get it assigned to a room prior to July 31 but am having a real hard time deciding where in the world we want to use it. Looking for suggestions on people having used a T & P Package and loved their choices.

It's really up to you for what *you* enjoy. We used our hotel cert for 7 nights at the Wailea Beach Resort this year, which was fantastic. We can do 7 days at a beach easily, but probably would do 7 days only in certain cities like Seoul (which we're doing in September) or Amsterdam (favorite European city so far).

But remember: you don't have to use the miles when booking the hotel; just transfer them to a partner and use them whenever. We used UR for the Hawaii flights earlier this year, and are paying cash to fly to Korea. The miles will be Cathay Pacific or another airline in J to Asia at some point, but we divorced them from the hotel stays for maximum flexibility.

Kalboz Jun 20, 2018 3:36 pm


Originally Posted by Willbur (Post 29886159)
New post from Greg on the subject. Summary: he's in the same place as most of us here.

https://frequentmiler.boardingarea.c...before-august/

That might be true, but SPG Lurker himself is saying he doesn't know what the refund for the floating certificates will be:

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29777835-post1288.html?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=emai l&utm_campaign=Frequent%20Miler%20%28Instant%29


Originally Posted by Starwood Lurker (Post 29777835)
All I am saying is exactly was was written: Floater certificates, including outstanding Marriott Travel Packages, will be cancelled and converted to equivalent points, credited to the member’s account for future redemption. <added by Starwood Lurker 18May18>

I have no idea what the converted equivalent points will be.

Best regards,

William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts LLC

[email protected]


cruisr Jun 20, 2018 3:41 pm


Originally Posted by nabeelj (Post 29887429)
Just cancel the reservation, then make a new reservation without attaching the certificate. You can then decide to attach the certificate or not, once things become more clear.

I'm beginning to worry it will never be clear.

dsquared37 Jun 20, 2018 5:10 pm


Originally Posted by cruisr (Post 29888066)
I'm beginning to worry it will never be clear.

... until it's too late to do anything else.

Happy Jun 20, 2018 5:15 pm


Originally Posted by Willbur (Post 29886159)
New post from Greg on the subject. Summary: he's in the same place as most of us here.

https://frequentmiler.boardingarea.c...before-august/

That blogger's article is full of misleading speculation. He kept saying Lurker "believes" or Lurker knew but would not reveal to avoid a gold rush - while in all reality, William has repeatedly said anything he wrtes either publicly or via PM has to be first reviewed and approved by the Marriott Loyalty Team. In other words, what he is TOLD is all what he has known. No more, no less.

As of today, Lurker has NOT known anything yet, as what is in the Wiki on the SPG side as quoted by Kalboz in his post below.

Yet the blogger just tried to attract eyeballs to write a piece full of speculation without any fact to back it up.

The blogger conveniently omitted what William said on May 10 about his position on anything related to the upcoming merger he posted or via the PM.


Originally Posted by Kalboz (Post 29888053)
That might be true, but SPG Lurker himself is saying he doesn't know what the refund for the floating certificates will be:

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29777835-post1288.html?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=emai l&utm_campaign=Frequent%20Miler%20%28Instant%29

Exactly.

This is what Lurker has said on May 10 when someone asked Williams on the point conversion information.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Travelosopher https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/imag...s/viewpost.gif


...Could William or another lurker help confirm the answer to this question! Thanks very much!
If this question is in the wiki of this thread, it has been passed on to the loyalty team. If it is not there, then someone needs to take the initiative to add it, so it can be.

It should be abundantly clear to everyone by now that no questions are being answered by me...either by posting here, sending an email or by sending a Private Mail...until I have an approved message from the loyalty team.

For my part, I will continue to answer the questions as soon as I receive the answers. I promise not to slip them in my back pocket and sit on them.

Best regards,

William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts LLC
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29739367-post1030.html


Originally Posted by cruisr (Post 29888066)
I'm beginning to worry it will never be clear.

There is a glimmer of hope as Lurker last update was soon we will have that information. It is under question 35.

35. Could you further clarify this new update on the refund of the Marriott Travel Package Cert, as to how the refund points are calculated? Reason this is in need of clarification is, currently if a member decides to refund the cert, the points returned on a Cat 1 to 5 is only 45,000 pts, not even enough for 2 Cat 5 nights at current charts.

There will be more details to come on this soon. <added by Starwood Lurker 19Jun18>
So hopefully we will know how Marriott will handle this. Though I would not hold my breath for it to come soon as we have been told Marriott will announce new hotel category charts in June. It even released some teaser examples about how some hotels categories will change.
Yet we are now on June 20th, and we are still waiting for the said information that is promised to be available in June.

Happy Jun 20, 2018 5:25 pm


Originally Posted by dsquared37 (Post 29888326)
... until it's too late to do anything else.

I am also afraid that with the repeated speculations made by the blogger, Marriott may just opt to take the direction this blogger claims being the least likely path just to show who is the real boss in this game.

Personally I think replacing existing floater certs with the new certs with the same categories the old ones mapped to, would be the most fair approach as many of us actually would prefer to use the certs for actual hotel stays, and not a "vehicle" to get cheaper miles. I dont believe Marriott would refund unrestricted points to replace the canceled certs but that is what the blogger wants to speculate, as it would be a "potential Huge Win"... I doubt Marriott would let that happen even if it originally may have contemplate such mechanism but now would not play into the directiin of blogger speculation.

Travelchurner Jun 20, 2018 7:34 pm

So if I have 450k Marriott points and am intereated in maximizing the miles portion of the travel package should I get the lowest category possible or the highest?

I also have the option of transferring the required Chase points in to complete 2x cat 1-5 travel packages.
please help!

farnorthtrader Jun 20, 2018 7:54 pm


Originally Posted by Happy (Post 29888360)
I am also afraid that with the repeated speculations made by the blogger, Marriott may just opt to take the direction this blogger claims being the least likely path just to show who is the real boss in this game.

Personally I think replacing existing floater certs with the new certs with the same categories the old ones mapped to, would be the most fair approach as many of us actually would prefer to use the certs for actual hotel stays, and not a "vehicle" to get cheaper miles. I dont believe Marriott would refund unrestricted points to replace the canceled certs but that is what the blogger wants to speculate, as it would be a "potential Huge Win"... I doubt Marriott would let that happen even if it originally may have contemplate such mechanism but now would not play into the directiin of blogger speculation.

so you believe that a multi billion dollar corporation would change their entire strategy and their IT just to spite a blogger?

pentiumvi Jun 20, 2018 8:30 pm


Originally Posted by theOtherHolmes (Post 29887359)
I have attached a 7-night cat 5 certificate to a cat 5 reservation next year, though we plan on only staying five nights.

I’m now wondering if it’s better to call and cancel the reservation- so I have a floater certificate which may be converted to points in August.

I can book our five night stay using AirBnB at about $100/ night.

Do you think it matters whether you cancel now, or cancel after August?
If you cancel now, you'll have a floater certificate right now. If you cancel after August, you'll have a floater certificate then.

All we know for sure is, if you hold a floater certificate come August, it'll be converted to points (whatever value).

What we don't know for sure, is what happens when you cancel a reservation after August, which causes your certificate to be come a "floater" again. I would hope Marriott would automatically convert the certificate at time of cancellation to whatever value they determined in August.

Does my reasoning make sense? Or was there something discussed in the past few hundred posts that makes my assumption incorrect?

azepine00 Jun 20, 2018 10:07 pm


Originally Posted by pentiumvi (Post 29888836)
..

All we know for sure is, if you hold a floater certificate come August, it'll be converted to points (whatever value).

We dont know that for sure either..

pinniped Jun 21, 2018 8:00 am

What's the difference between a "floater" and an "unused certificate"?

At various points in time throughout the year, I have three kinds of certificates sitting in my account: 7-night Category 5 certificates (Travel Packages), 1-night Category 5 credit card certificates (2 per year), and 1-night Category 4 or 5 Megabonus certificates (varies...usually a couple per year). They all look the same in my account - just unused certificates. The only difference being that I know I can always upgrade the TP one to the appropriate category as I call to attach it to a stay, whereas I currently cannot on the other types.

Willbur Jun 21, 2018 8:15 am


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 29890351)
What's the difference between a "floater" and an "unused certificate"?

At various points in time throughout the year, I have three kinds of certificates sitting in my account: 7-night Category 5 certificates (Travel Packages), 1-night Category 5 credit card certificates (2 per year), and 1-night Category 4 or 5 Megabonus certificates (varies...usually a couple per year). They all look the same in my account - just unused certificates. The only difference being that I know I can always upgrade the TP one to the appropriate category as I call to attach it to a stay, whereas I currently cannot on the other types.

What will happen to your normal unused certificates (non-TP) is more clear and is spelled out within the Marriott FAQ.


Originally Posted by Marriott.com
Members may book a redemption reservation with an existing Free Night Certificate under the current terms up until August 2018, even if the arrival date is after August 2018. Starting in August, any outstanding Certificates will be updated from Category-based to points-based values in the new combined redemption chart and may be used for stays at Rewards or SPG hotels up to the points value displayed on your updated Certificate. For example, you will be able to apply a Marriott Rewards Free Night Certificate to an SPG stay, or an SPG Free Night Award to a Marriott Rewards stay. Ritz-Carlton Rewards Free Night Certificates can also be applied to Marriott Rewards and SPG hotels.

https://members.marriott.com/faq/#i-...a-after-august

Personally, I don't think the SPG Lurker's comments necessarily fall outside of the above definition.

For example, if you have a Category 9 certificate, you can currently use it for 7 nights at a category 9 hotel. With a free night this comes out to 270,000 points for the 6 nights x 45k/night. If they can provide certificates of 25k value for the free night on the Marriott certificate, they can clearly provide certificates of 270k (just includes additional digits). Like the free night certs, it'd be easy for them to make these non-refundable (so you can't simply cancel and get 270k points). So in Aug you'd get a 270k certificate (maybe it as a minimum stay requirement of 7 nights, maybe it doesn't but has to be used as a single reservation). Then if you want to upgrade the certificate you pay the difference just like you do now. For any amounts that don't map to a new point class they would just issue the cert for the category lower and issue a refund of the points difference. So in the case of a current Cat 9, they'd map you to a category 5 in the new chart and refund 60k points (10k/night). You could then use those 60k points + 30k more to upgrade to a Cat 6 cert if desired.

I think a scenario like the above could absolutely labeled as "converting to equivalent points" and is infinitely more likely. In the same way they don't cancel the other free nights and instead convert them to a certificate of equivalent points, it simply doesn't make sense to refund actual points on the TPs alone.

pentiumvi Jun 21, 2018 9:56 am


Originally Posted by azepine00 (Post 29889080)
We dont know that for sure either..

SPG Lurker confirmed that "Floater certificates, including outstanding Marriott Travel Packages, will be cancelled and converted to equivalent points, credited to the member’s account for future redemption"


Originally Posted by Willbur (Post 29890418)
Personally, I don't think the SPG Lurker's comments necessarily fall outside of the above definition.

SPG Lurker specification said that TPs will be cancelled and converted to points though, and not an "update" certificate.

ankomonkey Jun 21, 2018 10:56 am


Originally Posted by Willbur (Post 29890418)
For example, if you have a Category 9 certificate, you can currently use it for 7 nights at a category 9 hotel. With a free night this comes out to 270,000 points for the 6 nights x 45k/night. If they can provide certificates of 25k value for the free night on the Marriott certificate, they can clearly provide certificates of 270k (just includes additional digits). Like the free night certs, it'd be easy for them to make these non-refundable (so you can't simply cancel and get 270k points). So in Aug you'd get a 270k certificate (maybe it as a minimum stay requirement of 7 nights, maybe it doesn't but has to be used as a single reservation). Then if you want to upgrade the certificate you pay the difference just like you do now. For any amounts that don't map to a new point class they would just issue the cert for the category lower and issue a refund of the points difference. So in the case of a current Cat 9, they'd map you to a category 5 in the new chart and refund 60k points (10k/night). You could then use those 60k points + 30k more to upgrade to a Cat 6 cert if desired.

I think a scenario like the above could absolutely labeled as "converting to equivalent points" and is infinitely more likely. In the same way they don't cancel the other free nights and instead convert them to a certificate of equivalent points, it simply doesn't make sense to refund actual points on the TPs alone.

I would actually welcome that. I have a 7night cat1-5 certificate and a separate points booking for 3 nights in a premium room that totals 90k points. I'd be happy to use my cert for 3 premium nights. I could make use of 7 nights in a cat 1-5 hotel, but would need the expiry date extending and the trip would purely be to use the cert rather than being a trip I need/want to make. The premium booking is part of a trip I definitely want to make.

Or did I misunderstand your proposal/suggestion?

RafKa Jun 21, 2018 11:07 am


Originally Posted by Willbur (Post 29890418)
What will happen to your normal unused certificates (non-TP) is more clear and is spelled out within the Marriott FAQ.


https://members.marriott.com/faq/#i-...a-after-august

Personally, I don't think the SPG Lurker's comments necessarily fall outside of the above definition.

For example, if you have a Category 9 certificate, you can currently use it for 7 nights at a category 9 hotel. With a free night this comes out to 270,000 points for the 6 nights x 45k/night. If they can provide certificates of 25k value for the free night on the Marriott certificate, they can clearly provide certificates of 270k (just includes additional digits). Like the free night certs, it'd be easy for them to make these non-refundable (so you can't simply cancel and get 270k points). So in Aug you'd get a 270k certificate (maybe it as a minimum stay requirement of 7 nights, maybe it doesn't but has to be used as a single reservation). Then if you want to upgrade the certificate you pay the difference just like you do now. For any amounts that don't map to a new point class they would just issue the cert for the category lower and issue a refund of the points difference. So in the case of a current Cat 9, they'd map you to a category 5 in the new chart and refund 60k points (10k/night). You could then use those 60k points + 30k more to upgrade to a Cat 6 cert if desired.

I think a scenario like the above could absolutely labeled as "converting to equivalent points" and is infinitely more likely. In the same way they don't cancel the other free nights and instead convert them to a certificate of equivalent points, it simply doesn't make sense to refund actual points on the TPs alone.

Your scenario seems plausible, but it would have a major gap: Cat 1-5. Unless they issue a 150K certificate to be spent on 7 nights with no refund for the difference.


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