From 1 Mar 23 : Reduced (to half) points and ENCs at Protea hotels
Feb 1, 2023, 8:31 am
#1
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From 1 Mar 23 : Reduced (to half) points and ENCs at Protea hotels
Received this email today that you’ll only earn 1 Elite Night for every 2 nights stayed at Protea hotels. This seems insane. Is this precedence with any other brands?
https://help.marriott.com/s/article/Article-34608?nck=107794092&ck=49974032&lk=1000613062
https://help.marriott.com/s/article/Article-34608?nck=107794092&ck=49974032&lk=1000613062
Feb 1, 2023, 8:56 am
#2
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This is the only outlier.
Exception: When staying at Marriott Executive Apartments®, you will earn 1 ENC for every three (3) completed Qualifying Nights stayed.
Exception: When staying at Marriott Executive Apartments®, you will earn 1 ENC for every three (3) completed Qualifying Nights stayed.
Feb 1, 2023, 9:22 am
#3
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This is an interesting move as I recently received 3 emails from Marriott about their new Prokard Explorer by Marriott program.
Protea used to be 10 Points per $1 but will now be $5 Points per $1 after March 1st.
Protea used to be 10 Points per $1 but will now be $5 Points per $1 after March 1st.
Thank you for staying with us, to make your NEXT stay even more memorable unlock instant benefits with a Prokard Explorer by Marriott® membership!
For only R1850, simply visit www.prokardexplorer.com and click on JOIN NOW.
When you become a Prokard Explorer by Marriott member you unlock a fantastic portfolio of Protea Hotels By Marriott, Marriott Hotels, Autograph Collection, Westin & AC Hotels across South Africa and Africa. There are now more than 70+ participating Hotels and 70+ Restaurants in prime destinations where you can enjoy free nights, preferential rates and discounted dining experiences over a 12 month membership period!
Thank you
Prokard Explorer by Marriott Team
STAY MORE!
From Jozi's fabulous Melrose Arch and Durban's gorgeous Umhlanga beachfront to Cape Town's premier V&A Waterfront and the wild reaches of the iconic Kruger Park, a world of benefits has now opened up to you!
— 1 x Free Night - At Any Protea Hotel By Marriott (South Africa ONLY)
— 3 x Classic Vouchers - 'Stay 1 Night, Get 1 Free Night' At Any Participating Protea Hotel by Marriott
— 2 x Premium Vouchers - 'Stay 1 Night, Get 1 Free Night' Any Participating Marriott, Autograph Collection, Westin, AC Hotels & Any Participating Protea Hotels by Marriott
For only R1850, simply visit www.prokardexplorer.com and click on JOIN NOW.
When you become a Prokard Explorer by Marriott member you unlock a fantastic portfolio of Protea Hotels By Marriott, Marriott Hotels, Autograph Collection, Westin & AC Hotels across South Africa and Africa. There are now more than 70+ participating Hotels and 70+ Restaurants in prime destinations where you can enjoy free nights, preferential rates and discounted dining experiences over a 12 month membership period!
Thank you
Prokard Explorer by Marriott Team
STAY MORE!
From Jozi's fabulous Melrose Arch and Durban's gorgeous Umhlanga beachfront to Cape Town's premier V&A Waterfront and the wild reaches of the iconic Kruger Park, a world of benefits has now opened up to you!
— 1 x Free Night - At Any Protea Hotel By Marriott (South Africa ONLY)
— 3 x Classic Vouchers - 'Stay 1 Night, Get 1 Free Night' At Any Participating Protea Hotel by Marriott
— 2 x Premium Vouchers - 'Stay 1 Night, Get 1 Free Night' Any Participating Marriott, Autograph Collection, Westin, AC Hotels & Any Participating Protea Hotels by Marriott
Feb 1, 2023, 9:29 am
#4
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Only thing I can assume is the hotels were letting people do mattress runs there and didn't care. Marriott can't stop it so the only way to offset it is to increase the franchise fees by making the mattress runs take twice as long or make it cost enough to mattress run at a US property now.
Feb 1, 2023, 9:36 am
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Only thing I can assume is the hotels were letting people do mattress runs there and didn't care. Marriott can't stop it so the only way to offset it is to increase the franchise fees by making the mattress runs take twice as long or make it cost enough to mattress run at a US property now.
Feb 1, 2023, 9:42 am
#6
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If the hotel lets you mobile check-in though with you not even leaving your bed from home and doesn't care the room stays empty. It makes zero sense to devalue ENC's other to kill status. Only other thing is the franchise fee they get per night/stay is too low but this really wouldn't help Marriott make money, only hurts bonvoy members.
Feb 1, 2023, 1:32 pm
#7
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Always a little scary to see these; really hope it doesn't become a larger trend. Imagine if all brands earning 5x per dollar started doing 1/2 ENCs too.
Feb 1, 2023, 1:58 pm
#8
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What a d1ck move.
You can get 70 nights credit with US credit cards, but if you stay in most Marriott hotels in Africa you need 140 nights bums in bed to start from the same point.
You can get 70 nights credit with US credit cards, but if you stay in most Marriott hotels in Africa you need 140 nights bums in bed to start from the same point.
Feb 1, 2023, 4:11 pm
#10
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Glad I racked up nights at Protea in South Africa last year before this change (genuine stays). This is a very poor move on the part of Marriott, and I hope it’s not a sign of things to come.
Feb 1, 2023, 4:33 pm
#11
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Only thing I can assume is the hotels were letting people do mattress runs there and didn't care. Marriott can't stop it so the only way to offset it is to increase the franchise fees by making the mattress runs take twice as long or make it cost enough to mattress run at a US property now.
Feb 1, 2023, 6:11 pm
#12
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Only thing I can assume is the hotels were letting people do mattress runs there and didn't care. Marriott can't stop it so the only way to offset it is to increase the franchise fees by making the mattress runs take twice as long or make it cost enough to mattress run at a US property now.
Feb 1, 2023, 8:51 pm
#13
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If it was a drop in the bucket, why bother making this change. That's exactly why it's concerning as it sets a precedent for other brands to follow suit, eg., the recently acquired City Express.
Feb 1, 2023, 9:43 pm
#14
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Because you want the customers who can afford to staying at your premium brands, like Westin etc?
Feb 1, 2023, 9:50 pm
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