Mass Ambassador Layoffs
#17
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 515
While I do not wish anyone to lose their jobs, full time staffing with benefits is very expensive. Marriott may wish to automate a lot of the Ambassador service functions and redeploy that capital in ways that make Ambassador Elite a more unique experience than Titanium. I enjoy texting, rather than having to contact a dedicated agent by phone. Online chat maybe the direction Marriott is going.
#18
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#19
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Bangkok
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Titanium, BAEC Silver, TK Miles & Smiles Elite
Posts: 2,210
#21
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: None - previously UA
Posts: 4,865
Getting OT, and not that I’m an Ambassador, but I despise “online chat” if it ends up being like Amazon and many others you first have to get through the AI layer to end up chatting with some outsourced agent working from a script who is not really empowered to fix any but the simplest issues. It’s ok for getting a refund on your grocery delivery but not some high stakes booking change which they cant botch. It’s not a good solution for everything.
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#22
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Getting OT, and that I’m an Ambassador, but I despise “online chat” if it ends up being like Amazon and many others you first have to get through the AI layer to end up chatting with some outsourced agent working from a script who is not really empowered to fix any but the simplest issues. It’s ok for getting a refund on your grocery delivery but not some high stakes booking change which they cant botch. It’s not a good solution for everything.
In addition to having to deal with an AI filtering level, I would be concerned about Marriott outsourcing overseas and empowering agents to do little more than offer hollow apologies.
Regardless, it's pretty clear that for now, Ambassador is nothing more than a meaningless label. Can I get my $20k back
#23
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Location: Toronto
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It all depends on the quality of the agents and whether they're empowered to offer solutions.
In addition to having to deal with an AI filtering level, I would be concerned about Marriott outsourcing overseas and empowering agents to do little more than offer hollow apologies.
Regardless, it's pretty clear that for now, Ambassador is nothing more than a meaningless label. Can I get my $20k back
In addition to having to deal with an AI filtering level, I would be concerned about Marriott outsourcing overseas and empowering agents to do little more than offer hollow apologies.
Regardless, it's pretty clear that for now, Ambassador is nothing more than a meaningless label. Can I get my $20k back
Personally, I enjoyed the Ambassador program when I had it, but I didn't rely on my Ambassador for ANYTHING (and I had 2 of them, no difference). I contacted the properties myself and ensured that I got what I needed for my stays. It worked for me!
#24
Join Date: Nov 2016
Programs: Marriott Rewards
Posts: 427
It's a shame the "eternal defender of the Ambassador program" isn't here to tell you it's all your fault for not choosing the right property, staying in the right season, expressing your needs properly, etc, etc.
Personally, I enjoyed the Ambassador program when I had it, but I didn't rely on my Ambassador for ANYTHING (and I had 2 of them, no difference). I contacted the properties myself and ensured that I got what I needed for my stays. It worked for me!
Personally, I enjoyed the Ambassador program when I had it, but I didn't rely on my Ambassador for ANYTHING (and I had 2 of them, no difference). I contacted the properties myself and ensured that I got what I needed for my stays. It worked for me!
#25
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I'm literally going to hit Ambassador status this weekend for the first time. I guess I'll be able to report what happens to newbies once the status on my account changes.
I feel badly for the people who are losing their jobs in this tough job market. I hope they are able to get jobs quickly and ones that make them happy.
-RM
I feel badly for the people who are losing their jobs in this tough job market. I hope they are able to get jobs quickly and ones that make them happy.
-RM
#26
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Italy
Programs: Accor Gold, Marriott Titanium, IHG Diamond , Amex Platinum
Posts: 1,484
maybe there will be a tier renovation
something like 100 nights + 15/20k spend = titanium + some milestone bonuses? (K points bonus / free nights bonus / more SNA / 100% bonus points instead 75%)
I would definitely prefer something like that than to have an Ambassador and 24h ...
something like 100 nights + 15/20k spend = titanium + some milestone bonuses? (K points bonus / free nights bonus / more SNA / 100% bonus points instead 75%)
I would definitely prefer something like that than to have an Ambassador and 24h ...
#27
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta but Washington DC will always be home.
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Given the lack of support (for most it seems) from actual ambassadors + now the layoff of many ambassadors, I wonder why Marriott just doesn't move to a different model, utilizing technology and everything is instant at booking (or after the stay):
150% points bonus
10 SNAs confirmable at booking (on top of the 50 & 75 night options which are not)
Your 24 confirmable at booking
Ability to bring up to 4 people into lounge (assuming 2 in room + 2 guests)
Obviously, I'm shooting in the dark here...and this will never happen. But if Amb. will not longer get personalized service might as well make benefits confirmable at booking.
150% points bonus
10 SNAs confirmable at booking (on top of the 50 & 75 night options which are not)
Your 24 confirmable at booking
Ability to bring up to 4 people into lounge (assuming 2 in room + 2 guests)
Obviously, I'm shooting in the dark here...and this will never happen. But if Amb. will not longer get personalized service might as well make benefits confirmable at booking.
#28
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It's been a downward spiral. Remove my personal Ambassador service and I book away from Bonvoy, so then there's less use for the Ambassador Team if I'm a representative customer. I also suspect that on average, the better Ambassadors (such as those based at the Austin call center) were terminated first, when they got rid of personal Ambassadors.
I'm curious about how Marriott/Bonvoy views its business strategy going forward. When they drive off their top customers, who will fill their higher end properties or even much of their full service portfolio? Families who want the cheapest rates including low qualify free breakfast (instead of AirBnB) are largely free agents who shop for the lowest price regardless of chain affiliation. Given this, individual properties have little incentive not to deflag and either become independent (but still listed on hotels.com, etc. for online reservations) or reflag as Motel6 or similar.
ADDED: Should I now feel guilty that I didn't waste my time responding to the recent emails from the Ambassador Team just to make it look like they have something to do?
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#29
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Chicago
Posts: 24
I just don't think an Ambassador representative is the future in this age of digital technology. I would prefer 5 confirmed suite nights at booking, so at least when I plan a once a year trip with the family I can be assured of a nice room/stay without rolling the dice and having them denied at the last moment and hoping for one at check-in. That way one can book a nice family vacation, know what's available for upgrading while booking, and factor that choice into which hotel or resort to visit.
#30
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Disappointing news, but can't say I'm surprised by this kind of move by Marriott. I knew what kind of customer service Marriott was intent upon providing when it became obvious to me that Marriott was willing to lose the original Starwood Lurker and had paired down its engagement on FT.
Marriott's Bonvoying its employees dedicated to its highest tier Bonvoy customers is par for the Marriott course.
No, as Marriott was going to Bonvoy them soon anyway. Marriott's extremely hard pressed to deliver on all those M&A "synergies" it sold to the financial market players when picking up Starwood, and so such employees being Bonvoyed now would have been par for the Marriott course.
Marriott's Bonvoying its employees dedicated to its highest tier Bonvoy customers is par for the Marriott course.
No, as Marriott was going to Bonvoy them soon anyway. Marriott's extremely hard pressed to deliver on all those M&A "synergies" it sold to the financial market players when picking up Starwood, and so such employees being Bonvoyed now would have been par for the Marriott course.