Originally Posted by JBord
(Post 30120841)
Wow...69 posts already about a benefit I would never think of collecting. I'm against any cuts in benefits, generally speaking. I never made the Green Choice because it should be quite obvious that it's not about environmental "green", but rather about more "green" in Marriott's pockets. I disagree with the dishonest game so many corporations play regarding environmentalism.
But posts comparing something Marriott does now, as a new merged company, to what SPG did, seems odd to me. It kind of reminds me of how former Continental customers still compare everything United does to a company that was bought and no longer exists. I suppose a mourning period is ok, but hopefully it doesn't go for years and years like the CO/UA thing. At some point, just realize customers from both sides have some wins and losses when the company merges, and it's not about how one company destroys another, but rather about what the new larger company decides to do -- and whether you still want to be a customer. So that I understand, you would't choose MAGC even if the points made sense of it simply because of your stance on a specious corporate premise of environmental impact? This 500 point policy was at its core a split of economics between the hotel and the guest. In using it, there were some inconveniences (and times where my DW definitely drew the line), but the points made it worth the economic split (and whatever small incremental environmental impact was felt) and worth the time to chase the points down if not granted. Now...meh. |
Originally Posted by Score8
(Post 30125471)
This 500 point policy was at its core a split of economics between the hotel and the guest. In using it, there were some inconveniences (and times where my DW definitely drew the line), but the points made it worth the economic split (and whatever small incremental environmental impact was felt) and worth the time to chase the points down if not granted. Now...meh.
I find it pretty laughable that anyone who took the points is now going to reject them out of spite. If you are on board with "being green" or simply like bonus points, then you will continue to do so. If not, then clearly it was just a transaction for you and you've decided that you value the cleaning more than the points. It's no different than Southwest charging more for a higher boarding position, or Hyatt offering points instead of an in-room snack. |
Well if the majority of Marriott properties actually implement this (compared to the small % currently) and they actually post consistently, then quite honestly this would be an improvement for legacy MR members. |
Originally Posted by yurtripper
(Post 30123748)
Only upside to this is that now I no longer have to fight with my partner by arguing that it's a good idea to decline housekeeping every day on a multi-day stay.
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Originally Posted by Boraxo
(Post 30125812)
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I find it pretty laughable that anyone who took the points is now going to reject them out of spite. If you are on board with "being green" or simply like bonus points, then you will continue to do so. If not, then clearly it was just a transaction for you and you've decided that you value the cleaning more than the points. It's no different than Southwest charging more for a higher boarding position, or Hyatt offering points instead of an in-room snack. |
Originally Posted by GoPhils
(Post 30125947)
Well if the majority of Marriott properties actually implement this (compared to the small % currently) and they actually post consistently, then quite honestly this would be an improvement for legacy MR members. Was a card on the bed, "green choice" but with some marketing about being green but no compensation... and what they explain is not being green it's to help them to lower their housekeeping cost more or less with a nice marketing blabla. So I will not be green and will ask for housekeeping tomorrow. |
Originally Posted by frenchft
(Post 30126875)
Just checked in a Marriott in Europe... they have implemented... but without points )))
Was a card on the bed, "green choice" but with some marketing about being green but no compensation... and what they explain is not being green it's to help them to lower their housekeeping cost more or less with a nice marketing blabla. So I will not be green and will ask for housekeeping tomorrow. |
Originally Posted by GVA
(Post 30127600)
Are you sure the card wasn't the one that many hotels in Europe have that if you don't place it on your bed then they won't change the bed linen.
The one I'm talking about what about how good for environment it was to skip housekeeping. I was first thinking "ah! Marriott has already implemented the MAGC"... they did it... indeed, but the Marriott way ! |
Originally Posted by Resonant Programmer
(Post 30123743)
I feel bad for the franchised hotels in locations with high labor costs. The points are negligible compared to the labor costs of cleaning a room. I recall that the Marriott Zurich almost begged me to accept MAGC. When I decline the offer at check in, the clerk asked if I was sure and recited statistics about the environmental impact. If the hotel does not want to be green then don't blame guests' decisions. Not to say that Marriott ZRH did, but just saying... |
Originally Posted by drvannostren
(Post 30117135)
The housekeepers already have a crappy enough job, I don't wanna add work to their plate. .
I suppose it's possible that they get to sit in the break room if there aren't enough rooms to clean and/or get a higher salary (or maybe a lower salary of them are now redundant) and/or clean each room more thoroughly, but I wouldn't expect these outcomes. |
Originally Posted by Boraxo
(Post 30125812)
It is still a split of economics, just a movement of $$ (points) from the customer to the corporation. No different than devaluations with SPG Amex, higher award rates, or any other reduction in benefits to the customer.
I find it pretty laughable that anyone who took the points is now going to reject them out of spite. If you are on board with "being green" or simply like bonus points, then you will continue to do so. If not, then clearly it was just a transaction for you and you've decided that you value the cleaning more than the points. It's no different than Southwest charging more for a higher boarding position, or Hyatt offering points instead of an in-room snack. |
Originally Posted by mecabq
(Post 30128182)
Somewhat off topic, but I don't think that participating in MAGC has any effect on the work of individual housekeepers. Presumably they work 8 (or however many) hours in a day, and clean X number of rooms in that time. If the housekeeping load were lighter, then in theory the hotel would reduce the number of housekeepers on duty. Although it's a lousy job, I am not sure that any of them want to be laid off from it because there are fewer rooms to clean each day on average.
I suppose it's possible that they get to sit in the break room if there aren't enough rooms to clean and/or get a higher salary (or maybe a lower salary of them are now redundant) and/or clean each room more thoroughly, but I wouldn't expect these outcomes. |
Originally Posted by bennos
(Post 30117494)
I'd say maybe 10% of my PMMR stays offered this, vs maybe 98% of my PMSPG stays.
And following that thought, if enough people stop participating in MAGC that housekeeping costs start to increase, then the program will need to increase the reward to restore the incentive. While I get the frustration here, I agree with the sentiment that this is "on the margins" for most travelers, and I suspect the participation rate will drop only slightly, and not enough to change the incentive. If they actually do want to create change they should make a splash on the top end. All $15-20 (or equiv points), and increase property participation (for brand image), and then slowly ratchet down over time. Likely back to $5 in like 5-10 years, but now with considerable more buy-in, and actual net effect. If they actually give a rip, that is. |
For me, this is something that is extra - I don't like to have my room serviced anyway and this is good for the environment.
The 500 SPG points were way too generous. I probably have earned over 150 of them the last few years. I just view it as a "good while it lasted" thing. |
Ive had 3 different hotel stays since the merger - seems like if you select MAGC during the checkin, it will apply for all of the stay, rather than the nights you select.
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