Lets talk about alternatives to the SPG Amex after the massive Marriott devaluation
#46
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Upcountry Maui, HI
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Amex Everyday Preferred requires 30 charges per month to get the 50% bonus. (and grocery store charges are 3.0/4.5 mpd). Also this card has an annual fee.
Chase Freedom Unlimited is 1.5x for all spend and is fee free and subject to Chase's 5/24. You have to have CSP or CSR for UR to be transferrable to airlines. (You combine the URs earned with Freedom into the CSP/CSR (Chase Sapphire Preferred/Reserve) account (a simple and instant process) and then they can be transferred to airline programs.
IMO, unless you plan on hitting the 30 charges per month on the Amex, Chase Freedom Unlimited is the go to card for un-bonused spend, assuming you have or can get CSP/CSR.
-David
Last edited by LIH Prem; Apr 17, 2018 at 8:07 pm
#47
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Regards
#49
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Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
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Point is...it is easy to rack up URs with the CSR. Was never easy to rack up Starpoints nearly as much...and I was one that liked to redeem my hotel points for...hotels
#50
Join Date: Nov 2015
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#51
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Effective August 1, 2018, complimentary access to the Sheraton Club Lounge will no longer be offered through The Starwood Preferred Guest Business Credit Card from American Express.
Effective August 1, 2018, complimentary access to the Sheraton Club Lounge will no longer be offered through The Starwood Preferred Guest Business Credit Card from American Express.
#52
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Charleston, SC
Programs: SPG/Marriot Gold, Hilton Gold
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At this point, are 7400 AMEX points worth more than 3700 SPG points? I have a large bill coming up and an trying to decide between using the SPG card or just switch to the Blue Business Plus card for 2x MR. I don’t have any trips planned for SPG points at the moment so they’d conceivably just transfer to Marriott in August. Currently have over 400k AMEX points and 52k SPG
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For everyday, non-bonused spend, I'd pick the BofA Premium Rewards card. Solid, dependable 2.625% back, assuming you can spare 100k in assets at Merrill Edge. (not a bad discount brokerage)
Wish there was a business version.
I'm thinking the Hilton Aspire may be a better card for frequent stayers.
Wish there was a business version.
I'm thinking the Hilton Aspire may be a better card for frequent stayers.
#56
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Location: CT/ Germany - Ich spreche deutsch
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I just struggle with the decision of if I should use EDP or Freedom Unlimited for the everyday non-bonus spend. Have close to 800k UR points and 490k MR points so currently focusing on AMEX to even them out. If I were to follow the advise of one of the big travel bloggers online, I would focus on UR as he values those points at $0.021 and AMEX MR at $0.019....probably because he gets a bigger referral bonus for driving people to UR cards!
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#57
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: BWI
Programs: Starwood Lifetime Platinum
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We recently cashed in points for 5 nights at the St. Regis Florence for $0.021 per point (175k points for 4 nights + 1 free night) and are flying Biz Air France for $0.04 per point (200k points). Even with the impending devaluation, these values exceed the value from most other credit card programs.
We all know that the greatest value is free premium travel, but these seats are increasingly rare if you require specific dates. For this AF flight, we had to book 340 days in advance for June travel and still could not get exactly the return date we wanted.
We have both Starwood Amex and Chase Marriott and are in the same pickle as everyone else. IMO, Amex MR are the most flexible for air. We no longer need the additional nights as a LTP. Keep the comments coming!
We all know that the greatest value is free premium travel, but these seats are increasingly rare if you require specific dates. For this AF flight, we had to book 340 days in advance for June travel and still could not get exactly the return date we wanted.
We have both Starwood Amex and Chase Marriott and are in the same pickle as everyone else. IMO, Amex MR are the most flexible for air. We no longer need the additional nights as a LTP. Keep the comments coming!
#58
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Miami, FL
Programs: UA 1MM, AA Plat, Marriott LT Titanium, Hyatt Glob, IHG ♢ Amb, Hilton ♢, Hertz Pres
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Here is my current plan:
1- Base (old) SPG Amex - keep as everyday spender until July 31, 2018.
2- Hold base (old) SPG Amex until "upgrade" offer appears and then upgrade to the new Luxury $450 Amex card. Cancel Marriott Rewards cc after "upgrade" to Amex luxury (I hold both base cards now - no point in that post "upgrade".
a- The new luxury card does have a high annual fee, but it is easily recouped for anyone who frequently stays in Marriott/Starwood. $300 credit towards room charges/incidentals in Marriott/Starwood hotels leaves an effective $150 AF. Also offers a free night up to hotels at 50,000 point level, which absolutely will be >$150 in value (more likely $250 in value). So the AF is easily recouped each year.
b- Use the new Luxury SPG card for ALL Starwood/Marriott stays at 6x and use for everyday spend SOLELY* for restaurants and airfare (3x spend, which equates to the same earn as the base (old) SPG Amex. DO NOT use card for anything else. *This assumes the award chart doesn't devalue materially (if it does, I may not use for restaurants/airfare).
3- Identify alternate everyday spend credit card. Unclear at this point which one it is. Chase UR cards are in the running.
1- Base (old) SPG Amex - keep as everyday spender until July 31, 2018.
2- Hold base (old) SPG Amex until "upgrade" offer appears and then upgrade to the new Luxury $450 Amex card. Cancel Marriott Rewards cc after "upgrade" to Amex luxury (I hold both base cards now - no point in that post "upgrade".
a- The new luxury card does have a high annual fee, but it is easily recouped for anyone who frequently stays in Marriott/Starwood. $300 credit towards room charges/incidentals in Marriott/Starwood hotels leaves an effective $150 AF. Also offers a free night up to hotels at 50,000 point level, which absolutely will be >$150 in value (more likely $250 in value). So the AF is easily recouped each year.
b- Use the new Luxury SPG card for ALL Starwood/Marriott stays at 6x and use for everyday spend SOLELY* for restaurants and airfare (3x spend, which equates to the same earn as the base (old) SPG Amex. DO NOT use card for anything else. *This assumes the award chart doesn't devalue materially (if it does, I may not use for restaurants/airfare).
3- Identify alternate everyday spend credit card. Unclear at this point which one it is. Chase UR cards are in the running.
#59
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
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Here is my current plan:
1- Base (old) SPG Amex - keep as everyday spender until July 31, 2018.
2- Hold base (old) SPG Amex until "upgrade" offer appears and then upgrade to the new Luxury $450 Amex card. Cancel Marriott Rewards cc after "upgrade" to Amex luxury (I hold both base cards now - no point in that post "upgrade".
a- The new luxury card does have a high annual fee, but it is easily recouped for anyone who frequently stays in Marriott/Starwood. $300 credit towards room charges/incidentals in Marriott/Starwood hotels leaves an effective $150 AF. Also offers a free night up to hotels at 50,000 point level, which absolutely will be >$150 in value (more likely $250 in value). So the AF is easily recouped each year.
b- Use the new Luxury SPG card for ALL Starwood/Marriott stays at 6x and use for everyday spend SOLELY* for restaurants and airfare (3x spend, which equates to the same earn as the base (old) SPG Amex. DO NOT use card for anything else. *This assumes the award chart doesn't devalue materially (if it does, I may not use for restaurants/airfare).
3- Identify alternate everyday spend credit card. Unclear at this point which one it is. Chase UR cards are in the running.
1- Base (old) SPG Amex - keep as everyday spender until July 31, 2018.
2- Hold base (old) SPG Amex until "upgrade" offer appears and then upgrade to the new Luxury $450 Amex card. Cancel Marriott Rewards cc after "upgrade" to Amex luxury (I hold both base cards now - no point in that post "upgrade".
a- The new luxury card does have a high annual fee, but it is easily recouped for anyone who frequently stays in Marriott/Starwood. $300 credit towards room charges/incidentals in Marriott/Starwood hotels leaves an effective $150 AF. Also offers a free night up to hotels at 50,000 point level, which absolutely will be >$150 in value (more likely $250 in value). So the AF is easily recouped each year.
b- Use the new Luxury SPG card for ALL Starwood/Marriott stays at 6x and use for everyday spend SOLELY* for restaurants and airfare (3x spend, which equates to the same earn as the base (old) SPG Amex. DO NOT use card for anything else. *This assumes the award chart doesn't devalue materially (if it does, I may not use for restaurants/airfare).
3- Identify alternate everyday spend credit card. Unclear at this point which one it is. Chase UR cards are in the running.
#60
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Here is my current plan:
b- Use the new Luxury SPG card for ALL Starwood/Marriott stays at 6x and use for everyday spend SOLELY* for restaurants and airfare (3x spend, which equates to the same earn as the base (old) SPG Amex. DO NOT use card for anything else. *This assumes the award chart doesn't devalue materially (if it does, I may not use for restaurants/airfare).
b- Use the new Luxury SPG card for ALL Starwood/Marriott stays at 6x and use for everyday spend SOLELY* for restaurants and airfare (3x spend, which equates to the same earn as the base (old) SPG Amex. DO NOT use card for anything else. *This assumes the award chart doesn't devalue materially (if it does, I may not use for restaurants/airfare).
1. You use the new LUXURY SPG/MR AMEX for restaurant purchases. For calculation purposes let's assume you charge $10k which would net you 30k SPG/MR points under the new system. These points will get you a) a free off peak night in a Cat. 5 hotel or b) a free peak night at a Cat. 4 hotel.
2. You use the Chase Sapphire Reserve card for restaurant purchases. Assume the same $10k in spend nets you 30k Chase UR points. Transfer these points to Hyatt and you get 30k WOH points. These points will get you a free night at their highest category hotel. Card comes with a high annual fee but other benefits.
Just food for thought!