FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   Manufactured Spending (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/manufactured-spending-719/)
-   -   2019 Shutdown Thread (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/manufactured-spending/1948543-2019-shutdown-thread.html)

RedSun Aug 2, 2019 9:13 am


Originally Posted by Lobachevsky (Post 31370695)
Cycling your CL x times also doesn't violate any terms.

What?? If you are correct, then why we have credit line?

radonc1 Aug 2, 2019 10:12 am


Originally Posted by Lobachevsky (Post 31367494)
Tell me what rule was broken, please.

The fact that Discover says certain purchases don't earn rewards doesn't mean that you're breaking any rules by buying them. It's not our fault that Discover (and other CC issuers) don't follow their OWN rules and pay rewards when we buy prepaid cards.

Surprise!!
They are following their rules. It says that you don't get cash back for certain purchases, including gift cards.
What they see is someone abusing their card for cash back that they (Discover) shouldn't;t pay and you don't deserve.
So, congratulations on getting 3 years equivalent of cash back before they closed you down.
But don't be shocked that they did so.
As I said, you are not their customer of choice.

Lobachevsky Aug 2, 2019 11:38 am


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 31370879)
What?? If you are correct, then why we have credit line?

A credit line is the amount you can owe on a card at a particular time. If you have a $1000 CL and you charge $250, you can still charge $750 more--and if you pay the $250 you owe, you can then charge $1000 more. It's a LINE OF CREDIT--it's not a limit to how much you can spend per month.

Lobachevsky Aug 2, 2019 11:41 am


Originally Posted by radonc1 (Post 31371126)
Surprise!!
They are following their rules. It says that you don't get cash back for certain purchases, including gift cards.
What they see is someone abusing their card for cash back that they (Discover) shouldn't;t pay and you don't deserve.
So, congratulations on getting 3 years equivalent of cash back before they closed you down.
But don't be shocked that they did so.
As I said, you are not their customer of choice.

There's a contract between the cardholder and the card issuer. Notions of "abusing" a card, where that definition is determined randomly, is neither legal nor fair. We're obligated to abide by the contract terms but so is the bank. If there's something called "abuse" make it part of the terms and specify what it is.

And, BTW, what's "abuse" generally means that the CC company doesn't like how many rewards you earn--despite the fact that it advertises "unlimited" rewards. The way to avoid that kind of "abuse" is to limit rewards. Otherwise, the CC company is guilty of fraud IMHO.

RedSun Aug 2, 2019 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by Lobachevsky (Post 31371538)
A credit line is the amount you can owe on a card at a particular time. If you have a $1000 CL and you charge $250, you can still charge $750 more--and if you pay the $250 you owe, you can then charge $1000 more. It's a LINE OF CREDIT--it's not a limit to how much you can spend per month.

Interesting. I sincerely wish you the good luck to cycle 5x or more of the CL. ;)

A lot of the shut-downs are caused by CL cycling. If you cycle a Citi DC or Fidelity Visa with $20,000 CL 5 times a month, I'm sure Citi and Elan will shut you down in no time. That is a $2,000 loss for each card.

Same with BA Premium Rewards and other high rewards cards without any reward limits....

ChrisFlyer66 Aug 2, 2019 12:20 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 31371670)
Interesting. I sincerely wish you the good luck to cycle 5x or more of the CL. ;)

A lot of the shut-downs are caused by CL cycling. If you cycle a Citi DC or Fidelity Visa with $20,000 CL 5 times a month, I'm sure Citi and Elan will shut you down in no time. That is a $2,000 loss for each card.

Are you sure it is really a $2000 loss?

josephstern Aug 2, 2019 12:26 pm


Originally Posted by ChrisFlyer66 (Post 31371700)
Are you sure it is really a $2000 loss?

Yeah - I don't understand at all where the $2,000 comes from here. And is it a loss to you or the bank?

Lobachevsky Aug 2, 2019 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 31371670)
Interesting. I sincerely wish you the good luck to cycle 5x or more of the CL. ;)

A lot of the shut-downs are caused by CL cycling. If you cycle a Citi DC or Fidelity Visa with $20,000 CL 5 times a month, I'm sure Citi and Elan will shut you down in no time. That is a $2,000 loss for each card.

Same with BA Premium Rewards and other high rewards cards without any reward limits....

And you know the cause is CL cycling how, exactly? Do you think that if you used a non-rewards card with the same CL cycling you'd be closed down? Banks love to see extensive card use--as long as that use is profitable to the banks.

Abflying Aug 2, 2019 12:44 pm

deleted

Abflying Aug 2, 2019 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by littlewinglet (Post 31365875)
Was it a biz or personal card, and where were you "shopping"? I'm thinking on a biz card there's a legitimate excuse to buy VGC as those are part of many business' marketing costs. With personal it's a tough call.

Personal, mix of all MS places, online, mall, grocery

littlewinglet Aug 2, 2019 1:41 pm


Originally Posted by Abflying (Post 31371778)
Personal, mix of all MS places, online, mall, grocery

Thanks for the info. Any particular transaction they claimed was suspicious? I'm curious if it's just something you did that was unlucky, or they're starting to clamp down on MS in general.

RedSun Aug 2, 2019 2:01 pm


Originally Posted by ChrisFlyer66 (Post 31371700)
Are you sure it is really a $2000 loss?


Originally Posted by josephstern (Post 31371724)
Yeah - I don't understand at all where the $2,000 comes from here. And is it a loss to you or the bank?

$20,000 CL x 5 = $100,000 spending. 2% of $100,000 = $2,000 cashback.

Also, for BA Premium Rewards, the top tier earn 2.625% cash back. I'm sure no swipe fees can cover that cost if you cycle it 5 times.

beast7276 Aug 2, 2019 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by radonc1 (Post 31371126)
Surprise!!
They are following their rules. It says that you don't get cash back for certain purchases, including gift cards.
What they see is someone abusing their card for cash back that they (Discover) shouldn't;t pay and you don't deserve.
So, congratulations on getting 3 years equivalent of cash back before they closed you down.
But don't be shocked that they did so.
As I said, you are not their customer of choice.

care to point me to where GCs are listed as excluded in their terms? I’ll give you a hint .... they aren’t .....

Abflying Aug 2, 2019 2:34 pm


Originally Posted by beast7276 (Post 31372118)

care to point me to where GCs are listed as excluded in their terms? I’ll give you a hint .... they aren’t .....

I agree, I read through all the terms again and only mentioned point are Cash advances. Well then again banks will be banks,

ChrisFlyer66 Aug 2, 2019 2:38 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 31372052)
$20,000 CL x 5 = $100,000 spending. 2% of $100,000 = $2,000 cashback.

.

That assumes the cash back is a "Loss". But they do get money from swipe fees. I don't know exactly how much, but I'm sure it is enough that they aren't losing the entire $2000. Just googling it I see that swipe fees average around 2%, but are higher for premium credit cards.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 8:36 pm.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.