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Old Jan 5, 2017, 4:03 am
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This thread is a continuation of the 2016 Serve master thread located at Amex Serve (2016) [Many shutdowns starting Jan 8, 2016]


5/21/2019 another round of Serve and Bluebird shutdowns.

On January 8, 2016, most Serve cards that were being used for MS were closed by Amex due to "unusual activity". Recurring waves of shutdowns have continued.

There are three version of Serve cards, Blue, Green and Grey. The fees and specifics are listed here:
https://www.serve.com/help/?intlink=us-serve-marketing-home-customer2-incomm2018-freezecardlearnmore&anchor=lost-or-stolen-1

The best Serve version for MS purpose is the "Green" version. It can be loaded at CVS, Rite Aid, DG (cash only) and Walmart, FD stores (cash and debit). There is no loading fee, but there is a $6.95 monthly fee that can't be waived. You could avoid the monthly fee by keeping $0 balance prior to month end statement closing. But this may cause account shut-down. As of end of 2020, there have been changes at the loading side (FD, WM). Not all GCs are accepted. Trial and report back to forum.


As of April 16, 2015 regular Serve cards will only accept American Express network cards for online credit card loads.
Softcard Serve accounts are apparently grandfathered in the old system and continue to work as before, being able to load Mastercard, Visa, and Discover (see below).

For additional information on using prepaid debit cards, see PIN available now for Visa/MC prepaid debit cards.

You cannot make an ACH pull from Serve. The direct deposit account and routing numbers are for deposits only.

https://www.serve.com/#/add-cash

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.

Loads at 7-11 and CVS are cash only. Debit cards are NOT allowed.

Loads at Walmart have been confirmed with debit cards. Self checkout does not work for loading Serve. Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of prepaid debit cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked, then discreetly use your prepaid card when asked to swipe. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC (Walmart Money Center) again to load.

Debit loading at Family Dollar appears to be limited to $500 per day per store total (not per person or per account). Whoever gets there first gets the load for the day. Troubleshooting loading problems at FD

Loads at Dollar General - Appears to no longer be working with any brand of VCG.

Regular Serve
  • Serve loading via VR/MP (Vanilla Reload/Moneypak) or WM/FD load: $2,500 per card per day; $5,000 total per calendar month each card; $10,000 total each calendar month all Serve cards combined
  • Online Debit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month
    • Online Credit Card Load (AmEx only) - $200/day and $1,000/month
      • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
        • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
          • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month
You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $7k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Softcard Serve
Softcard has shutdown and there is no longer any way to apply for this version.
  • Serve loading via VR/MP (Vanilla Reload/Moneypak) or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
    • Online Debit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
      • Online Credit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
        • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
          • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
            • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $8k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Temp Serve
You can only load a maximum of $500/day, $1000/month on a temporary card. Once you get your permanent card, then you can load more. The initial $500 when you purchase the temp card doesn't count against the $5,000/month load limit.

OneVip Card: (Mucho gracias, AndrewTheMan)
This card is essentially just like the regular, fee-free, "old" serve. You may reload this card up to $2,500/day; $1,000/transaction at Walmart (not impacted by Blue Bird daily limit change). Have not tested FD or anywhere else. KATE takes this no problems..
You can use this to load the FIDO AMEX up to 1k a month.
Amex stopped taking applications for OneVip at the end of 2017. Cards acquired before then still work.

Limits for online debit card and credit card loads reset at 9 PM PST/12 AM EST

Online Credit Card Loads
Only one card can be linked at a time.

For online CC/DC loads, the name on the Serve account is supposed to match the name of the primary or joint cardholder. So using someone else's CC/DB card to load a Serve account is not allowed.

A few report no problems loading with an AU card in the Serve account holder's name. Increase your chances by making sure the AUs social security number is on file with the Credit Card.

When adding a new card you will usually need to call Serve Account security (1-800-555-4318) for verification of the new card on the second load try. This verification usually requires uploading of a photo of your ID and the credit card. You may pre-emptively avoid the error by going to the above website, logging in, and uploading a scan of a photo ID and the card you are trying to add. You may call back to expedite approval. One person with a Serve/Softcard account reported being sent to the main Serve number for this process.

https://www.serve.com/help/#add-money-5

Regular Serve Credit Card Loading

Regular Serve can only load from American Express network cards. In addition to those issued directly by American Express, this includes the following:
  • AAA Rewards AmEx
    • Alitalia AmEx
      • Bank of America Accelerated Rewards AmEx
        • Bank of Hawaii AmEx Card with MyBankoh Rewards
          • Bloomingdale's AmEx
            • Citi AAdvantage Platinum Select AmEx
              • Citi Dividend AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
                • Citi Thank You Preferred AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
                  • Dillard's AmEx
                    • FNBO AmEx
                      • FNBO Graphite AmEx
                        • FNBO Platinum AmEx
                          • Macy's AmEx
                            • Penfed Premium Travel Rewards AmEx
                              • SavingStar AmEx
                                • Travelocity AmEx
                                  • US Bank Flexperks AmEx
                                    • USAA Cash Rewards/Rewards Plus AmEx
                                      • Wells Fargo Propel World/365 AmEx

Softcard Serve Credit Card Loading

If you are fortunate enough to be grandfathered into a Softcard Serve Account, you can also load other credit cards beside American Express cards. Softcard Serve is not available to new applicants anymore so you'll need to get one of the other Serve options if you don't already have one. In general, Mastercard and American Express cards post as purchases. Visa cards transact as a cash advance and, therefore, require available CA limit; although most cards post as a purchase.

Treated as purchase, earns cashback/points/miles:
  • Bank of America (FIA) (MasterCard, American Express)
    • Barclaycard (Mastercard, Visa)
      • Capital One (Mastercard, Visa)
        • Chase (MasterCard, Visa)
          • Citi (MasterCard, American Express)
            • Discover
              • Wells Fargo Propel (American Express)
Treated as purchase, but doesn't earn points/miles:
  • American Express issued (Counts toward minimum spend -- see post #434) but does not earn points. Example: For the Delta Amex card, Serve counts towards min spend DL miles sign-up bonus, but that spend and subsequent trials of spend on Serve will not earn points. Don't do it, man!

Posts as a cash advance: The Chase Ink Bold is a charge card and has no cash advance ability.

A few report being unable to add the Chase IHG MC.

Online Debit Card Loads
For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. While initial transactions may work, your account will eventually be flagged.

Switching to Serve
Helpful instruction post, latest. Thanks raeneye.

Also see this thread: Switching from Serve to BlueBird - 31 day wait???

Switching from BB to Serve
  1. Login to BB account, bring account balance to Zero, (By Bill Pay, Send money, etc..)
    • Call BB, tell them that you want to open a serve account and close your current BB account. after they check everything they will say something like: "Your account will be permanently closed after 31 days, you can reopen it within 31 day if you change your mind, and you can apply for your new Serve account now, just make sure use the exact same register info from BB."
      • at this point BB is closed. next morning, goto CVS and get a temporary Serve card (only with cash), load $500, ($2.95 waived, Yeah!!)
        • get back home, register temporary Serve online, First error: "phone number already registered, please try a different number" could be the my BB's ghost account still showing up on their system, could be my info is not match my BB's registration? i'm not really sure at this point. What I did is keep the same number but change from Cell phone to home phone. and registration went through
          • after the register and login, second error: "We're still processing your application. Please check your email for an update"
            • I have see people on the thread reported waiting for weeks for the same message, So, I pickup the phone and called them, ask them to speed up the process.
              • CSR, told me that my account went to "account security protection department" transfer me to them.
                • at account security protection department, they told me need to call back on my phone number which I registered to verify.
                  • after the call back of verification, CSR told me that my new Serve account is active now, email address verification will be send with in 5 minutes, permanent card will be received within 7-10 days.
                    • CSR also told me the I can load and spend on the temporary card, but not bill pay.

Switching from Redbird is presumably similar. See the RedCard thread for more information.

The number to call to approve your registration after closing Bluebird: Serve Account security 1-800-555-4318

Loading with debit card at Walmart register
Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
    • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
      • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
        • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.

Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered.

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.

Using Serve
For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy VRs/GCs
    • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
      • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement

For bank transfers
Under Settings --> Funding & Transfers --> Bank & Cards --> U.S. Bank Account, you can add your bank info and transfer funds from your Serve card directly to your bank. The bank account must be verified, either by the standard "deposit 2 small sums into your account, such as $0.23 & $0.42" method, or doing an "instant verification" by actually logging into your bank account while still logged into Serve.
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People with an apartment address can find helpful information quoted in post #7



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Old Mar 12, 2017, 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by 12HRS
I have not seen any data of people being shutdown being able to reopen. Can you provide data points?
Oh boy, that was way back.. Shortly after the first wave on 1/8/16. From memory, some people mentioned on the 2016 thread that they managed to reopen, some of those reported being shut down in the subsequent waves. Haven't heard anything recently
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Old Mar 12, 2017, 10:21 pm
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I don't have a family dollar, dollar general, or walmart within a half hour of me. Any other options for loading serve fee-free?
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Old Mar 13, 2017, 1:52 am
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Originally Posted by tkel1
I don't have a family dollar, dollar general, or walmart within a half hour of me. Any other options for loading serve fee-free?
You can load on line for free funding by debit card up to $1000 per month and $200 per day or $1500 per month and $500 per day if you have the old soft serve account. Or you can add funds by a checking account directly I believe being not by debit card also.
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Old Mar 20, 2017, 2:44 pm
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So I still have my Serve card, having not used it for MS since months prior to the original shutdowns. I now need to hit a min spend on one card so am thinking of trying to use it one last time (Simons at WM). Has anyone else used a Serve lately for MS and if so...how long were you able to use it for before shutdown? I imagine that mine will get shutdown but...how quickly? Can I get 1, 2, 3+ churns through first?

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Old Mar 20, 2017, 4:29 pm
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Originally Posted by xolinlevh
So I still have my Serve card, having not used it for MS since months prior to the original shutdowns. I now need to hit a min spend on one card so am thinking of trying to use it one last time (Simons at WM). Has anyone else used a Serve lately for MS and if so...how long were you able to use it for before shutdown? I imagine that mine will get shutdown but...how quickly? Can I get 1, 2, 3+ churns through first?
using axprepaid is like gambling...

you can try this: max out daily load on mar 30 and 31, rinse and repeat on apr fools day and the next. IF you had no activity on this card for months and suddenly load the max per day, you may not even get to load the $10K with above strategy, it's up to you to roll the dice. You just don't know when the sentinels will pounce on you.
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Old Mar 21, 2017, 9:27 am
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Originally Posted by Mamibear
using axprepaid is like gambling...

you can try this: max out daily load on mar 30 and 31, rinse and repeat on apr fools day and the next. IF you had no activity on this card for months and suddenly load the max per day, you may not even get to load the $10K with above strategy, it's up to you to roll the dice. You just don't know when the sentinels will pounce on you.
Any reports of how long until shutdown using reloadits?

I continue to have a source of reloadit available at grocery store. I got a serve vip card and did a test of 1k transfer from reloadit-safe-serve and did bill pay off.
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Old Mar 21, 2017, 4:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Mamibear
using axprepaid is like gambling...

you can try this: max out daily load on mar 30 and 31, rinse and repeat on apr fools day and the next. IF you had no activity on this card for months and suddenly load the max per day, you may not even get to load the $10K with above strategy, it's up to you to roll the dice. You just don't know when the sentinels will pounce on you.
Im expecting that any use for MS will result in a shutdown, just a question of when. If I max out the 30th, will the system shut me down right away or is there usually a few days/weeks before it picks up?
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Old Mar 23, 2017, 8:38 am
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How many OneVip card can an individual open at the same time? 4 or 5?
If you do that, you need to create a different username, but do you use a different email address as well?
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Old Mar 24, 2017, 7:44 am
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Just tried to load serve at Walmart and it showed 3.74$ load fee before I could even swipe my debit cards for loading. Is serve load at WM not supposed to be free?
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Old Mar 24, 2017, 7:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Stivelio
Just tried to load serve at Walmart and it showed 3.74$ load fee before I could even swipe my debit cards for loading. Is serve load at WM not supposed to be free?
It depends on the Serve Card. The Green one and the OneVIP have free reloads. The Blue and the Grey (cashback) have around 3.95$ fees per reload (the exact amount depends on the retailer).

Which Serve card do you have?
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Old Mar 29, 2017, 5:16 pm
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Just did $1500 in loads ($500 ea @ three different FD's within 30 min of one another in the LA area) to a OneVIP. The fourth FD I tried spit out the "invalid merchant" notice. Tried a second time and no dice. Went to FD #5 and same result. Then tried to load a different OneVIP with the same FB VGC (should have tried a different VGC also at this point but I didn't think to) and same result. Going to try Walmart next with different OneVIP but worried this could be the end for me.
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Old Apr 2, 2017, 3:26 pm
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Originally Posted by cashcyclone
They don't advertise it but if you keep 0 balance they don't charge the fee at all.
THANK YOU! You just helped me clean my desk. (It's on top of my "to do" pile; going in the "sock drawer" wallet now.)
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Old Apr 8, 2017, 10:58 pm
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The 5K serve load limit is for all my serve cards or each serve has 5K?
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Old Apr 9, 2017, 7:56 am
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Originally Posted by jasonlee6
The 5K serve load limit is for all my serve cards or each serve has 5K?
you have more than one in your name?

I thought it was limited to one for any serve & bluebird?
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Old Apr 9, 2017, 8:25 am
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Originally Posted by lumangoy
I thought it was limited to one for any serve & bluebird?
not anymore.

I don't know exactly when they changed the rules but afaik, from experience they approved up to five per SSN.
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