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Old Jan 6, 2016, 10:21 am
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The previous megathread is here.

The following megathread is at Amex Serve master thread (2017)




On January 8, 2016, most Serve cards that were being used for MS were closed by Amex due to "unusual activity". Recurring waves of shutdowns have continued.


As of April 16, 2015 regular Serve cards will only accept American Express network cards for online credit card loads.
Softcard Serve accounts are apparently grandfathered in the old system and continue to work as before, being able to load Mastercard, Visa, and Discover (see below).

Serve loads count towards minimum spend on AmEx-issued cards, including SPG.

For additional information on using prepaid debit cards, see PIN available now for Visa/MC prepaid debit cards.

You cannot make an ACH pull from Serve. The direct deposit account and routing numbers are for deposits only.

https://www.serve.com/#/add-cash

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.[/SIZE]

Loads at 7-11 and CVS are cash only. Debit cards are NOT allowed.

Loads at Walmart have been confirmed with debit cards. Self checkout does not work for loading Serve. Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of prepaid debit cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked, then discreetly use your prepaid card when asked to swipe. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC (Walmart Money Center) again to load.

Debit loading at Family Dollar appears to be limited to $500 per day per store total (not per person or per account). Whoever gets there first gets the load for the day. Troubleshooting loading problems at FD

Loads at Dollar General - Works with Vanilla visa. Tried to load 2 500 gift cards and it worked. Not sure about more than 1000 $

Regular Serve
  • Serve loading via VR/MP or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
  • Online Debit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month [B]
  • Online Credit Card Load (AmEx only) - $200/day and $1,000/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $7k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Softcard Serve
Softcard has shutdown and there is no longer any way to apply for this version.
  • Serve loading via VR/MP or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
  • Online Debit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
  • Online Credit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $8k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Temp Serve
You can only load a maximum of $500/day, $1000/month on a temporary card. Once you get your permanent card, then you can load more. The initial $500 when you purchase the temp card doesn't count against the $5,000/month load limit.

OneVip Card: (Mucho gracias, AndrewTheMan)
This card is essentially just like the regular, fee-free, "old" serve. You may reload this card up to $2,500/day; $1,000/transaction at Walmart (not impacted by Blue Bird daily limit change). Have not tested FD or anywhere else. KATE takes this no problems..
You can use this to load the FIDO AMEX up to 1k a month.

Limits for online debit card and credit card loads reset at 9 PM PST/12 AM EST

Online Credit Card Loads
Only one card can be linked at a time.

For online CC/DC loads, the name on the Serve account is supposed to match the name of the primary or joint cardholder. So using someone else's CC/DB card to load a Serve account is not allowed.

A few report no problems loading with an AU card in the Serve account holder's name. Increase your chances by making sure the AUs social security number is on file with the Credit Card.

When adding a new card you will usually need to call Serve Account security (1-800-555-4318) for verification of the new card on the second load try. This verification usually requires uploading of a photo of your ID and the credit card. You may pre-emptively avoid the error by going to the above website, logging in, and uploading a scan of a photo ID and the card you are trying to add. You may call back to expedite approval. One person with a Serve/Softcard account reported being sent to the main Serve number for this process.

https://www.serve.com/help/#add-money-5

Regular Serve Credit Card Loading

Regular Serve can only load from American Express network cards. In addition to those issued directly by American Express, this includes the following:
  • AAA Rewards AmEx
  • Alitalia AmEx
  • Bank of America Accelerated Rewards AmEx
  • Bank of America Asiana Airlines AmEx
  • Bank of Hawaii AmEx Card with MyBankoh Rewards
  • Bloomingdale's AmEx
  • Citi AAdvantage Platinum Select AmEx
  • Citi Dividend AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
  • Citi Thank You Preferred AmEx (not obtainable unless specifically requested)
  • Dillard's AmEx
  • FNBO AmEx
  • FNBO Graphite AmEx
  • FNBO Platinum AmEx
  • Macy's AmEx
  • Penfed Premium Travel Rewards AmEx
  • SavingStar AmEx
  • Travelocity AmEx
  • US Bank Flexperks AmEx
  • USAA Cash Rewards/Rewards Plus AmEx
  • Wells Fargo Propel World/365 AmEx

Softcard Serve Credit Card Loading

If you are fortunate enough to be grandfathered into a Softcard Serve Account, you can also load other credit cards beside American Express cards. Softcard Serve is not available to new applicants anymore so you'll need to get one of the other Serve options if you don't already have one. In general, Mastercard and American Express cards post as purchases. Visa cards transact as a cash advance and, therefore, require available CA limit; although most cards post as a purchase.

Treated as purchase, earns cashback/points/miles:
  • Bank of America (FIA) (MasterCard, American Express)
  • Barclaycard (Mastercard, Visa)
  • Capital One (Mastercard, Visa)
  • Chase (MasterCard, Visa)
  • Citi (MasterCard, American Express)
  • Discover
  • Wells Fargo (American Express)

Treated as purchase, but doesn't earn points/miles:
  • American Express issued (Counts toward minimum spend -- see post #434) but does not earn points. Example: For the Delta Amex card, Serve counts towards min spend DL miles sign-up bonus, but that spend and subsequent trials of spend on Serve will not earn points. Don't do it, man!

Posts as a cash advance:
The Chase Ink Bold is a charge card and has no cash advance ability.

A few report being unable to add the Chase IHG MC.

Online Debit Card Loads
For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. While initial transactions may work, your account will eventually be flagged.

Switching to Serve
Helpful instruction post, latest. Thanks raeneye.

Also see this thread: Switching from Serve to BlueBird - 31 day wait???

Switching from BB to Serve
  1. Login to BB account, bring account balance to Zero, (By Bill Pay, Send money, etc..)
  2. Call BB, tell them that you want to open a serve account and close your current BB account. after they check everything they will say something like: "Your account will be permanently closed after 31 days, you can reopen it within 31 day if you change your mind, and you can apply for your new Serve account now, just make sure use the exact same register info from BB."
  3. at this point BB is closed. next morning, goto CVS and get a temporary Serve card (only with cash), load $500, ($2.95 waived, Yeah!!)
  4. get back home, register temporary Serve online, First error: "phone number already registered, please try a different number" could be the my BB's ghost account still showing up on their system, could be my info is not match my BB's registration? i'm not really sure at this point. What I did is keep the same number but change from Cell phone to home phone. and registration went through
  5. after the register and login, second error: "We're still processing your application. Please check your email for an update"
  6. I have see people on the thread reported waiting for weeks for the same message, So, I pickup the phone and called them, ask them to speed up the process.
  7. CSR, told me that my account went to "account security protection department" transfer me to them.
  8. at account security protection department, they told me need to call back on my phone number which I registered to verify.
  9. after the call back of verification, CSR told me that my new Serve account is active now, email address verification will be send with in 5 minutes, permanent card will be received within 7-10 days.
  10. CSR also told me the I can load and spend on the temporary card, but not bill pay.

Switching from Redbird is presumably similar. See the RedCard thread for more information.

The number to call to approve your registration after closing Bluebird: Serve Account security 1-800-555-4318

Loading with debit card at Walmart register
Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
  • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
  • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
  • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.

Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered.

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.

Using Serve
For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy VRs/GCs
  • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
  • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement

For bank transfers
Under Settings --> Funding & Transfers --> Bank & Cards --> U.S. Bank Account, you can add your bank info and transfer funds from your Serve card directly to your bank. The bank account must be verified, either by the standard "deposit 2 small sums into your account, such as $0.23 & $0.42" method, or doing an "instant verification" by actually logging into your bank account while still logged into Serve.
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People with an apartment address can find helpful information quoted in post #7
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Old Jan 28, 2016, 8:57 pm
  #751  
 
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Originally Posted by TMM1982
Can't you just add it, hit the $1,000 in 5 days, remove it, and then add it to 2nd Serve?

Great idea!

I am looking to maximize the online loads until Fido converts to Visa (July i think?)

So i am not sure how often you can churn the cards tagged to the account without triggering a Serve shutdown.
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Old Jan 29, 2016, 12:55 pm
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Originally Posted by ChrisFlyer66
yes you can do that.
Thanks buddy! Just another little concern: To use bill pay service of your own Server card to pay other people's credit card bills, could it possibly cause account get flagged or frozen? I'm not paying bills of very large scale, just a few hundred. Thanks!
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Old Jan 29, 2016, 2:12 pm
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Originally Posted by cestmoi123
They did this a while ago, at least six months.
I can't add my Fid Amex to my new serve, probably it is somehow marked as "in use" on my closed card.

Had to use Citi AA Amex instead
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Old Jan 29, 2016, 5:33 pm
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With OneVIP, can we load $5k in cash and $1k in online CC loads for a total of $6k per month?
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Old Jan 29, 2016, 6:59 pm
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When you load serve with VGC at WM or RA, can you load for e.g $2000 using 4 VGCs in one transaction? like how they do split payment when buying MO or Bill pay? I asked this to WM rep and she had no idea and I didn't want to talk too much about this so I just used 4 separate transactions and get the hell out of there.
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Old Jan 29, 2016, 7:12 pm
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Originally Posted by TMM1982
With OneVIP, can we load $5k in cash and $1k in online CC loads for a total of $6k per month?
The Wiki talks about adding money. Check out the Limits section of the FAQ. It appears 10k can be added across the various "Add Money" methods cumulatively.
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Old Jan 29, 2016, 9:44 pm
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I just tried loading $1000 from my CItigold debit to my Serve to meet a requirement, but RA cashier told me $500 limit-- so I loaded $500 to my card and then tried loading another $500 to my wife's card. Mine went through, hers was declined. I don't know if this is because Citi has a daily limit on debit transactions or if my wife's Serve got the axe. She didn't get the dreaded email and was able to load yesterday. Those of you who did get the email blocking loads, what happens when you try to load? Does it say accepted at first and then "not accepted" later? Or does it say declined right away?
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Old Jan 29, 2016, 9:49 pm
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Originally Posted by nfpa70e
When you load serve with VGC at WM or RA, can you load for e.g $2000 using 4 VGCs in one transaction? like how they do split payment when buying MO or Bill pay? I asked this to WM rep and she had no idea and I didn't want to talk too much about this so I just used 4 separate transactions and get the hell out of there.
U can do 4 swipes per WM transaction. The total single load is limited though to an amount below $2500. I never pushed the limits at RA.

I'm shut down. Why you ask? YMMV :-)
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Old Jan 29, 2016, 10:14 pm
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Originally Posted by songroad
Thanks buddy! Just another little concern: To use bill pay service of your own Server card to pay other people's credit card bills, could it possibly cause account get flagged or frozen? I'm not paying bills of very large scale, just a few hundred. Thanks!
My serve was closed on Jan 8 along with many others. My best guess is that paying other people's credit cards wasn't the problem, but it is possible.
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Old Jan 29, 2016, 10:44 pm
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Originally Posted by ChrisFlyer66
My serve was closed on Jan 8 along with many others. My best guess is that paying other people's credit cards wasn't the problem, but it is possible.
My friend's BB was shut down on the same day. He paid mortgages and his own card bills with the BB. At the time of shut down he had $7500 in it so it was not like he immediately spent the money after loading.
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Old Jan 30, 2016, 12:04 am
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Recently I cannot spend money with my Serve card (old blue one) while there is zero dollar in the account. In the past months, I could do so as long as a credit card is assigned as a backup funding source. Does anyone have a similar problem?
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Old Jan 30, 2016, 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by samwkchan
Recently I cannot spend money with my Serve card (old blue one) while there is zero dollar in the account. In the past months, I could do so as long as a credit card is assigned as a backup funding source. Does anyone have a similar problem?
Why even worry about this. Just use ur CC directly.
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Old Jan 30, 2016, 7:07 am
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Balance on both serve cards came to 0.

Any reason not to close our accounts?
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Old Jan 30, 2016, 7:22 am
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Originally Posted by samwkchan
Recently I cannot spend money with my Serve card (old blue one) while there is zero dollar in the account. In the past months, I could do so as long as a credit card is assigned as a backup funding source. Does anyone have a similar problem?
IME with my S shutdown, from the 8th till the 11th, I could still use the back up funding with zero balance on my S but starting the 12th, it quit working. I checked with others and they confirmed it doesn't work for them anymore.
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Old Jan 30, 2016, 7:36 am
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Originally Posted by Chelski
Why even worry about this. Just use ur CC directly.
Presumably for Amex offers on the serve card (well, that's the only reason I can think of!)
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