Sep 15, 2015, 12:20 pm
Last edit by: Chelski
Discover is not honoring the initial terms of the promotion that many of us applied for and paid $650 (or more) for an iPhone specifically and only for the initial terms of this promotion.
If you feel you have been unfairly treated legal action may be necessary:
Discover Financial Service's CEO is David W. Nelms. He is also Chairman of the Board of Directors.
Other notable executives are:
Kelly McNamara Corley - General Counsel and Secretary
James V. Panzarino - President: Credit and Card Operations
The physical address of the corporate headquarters is:
DISCOVER FINANCIAL SERVICES
2500 LAKE COOK ROAD
RIVERWOODS, IL, UNITED STATES 60015
from National Information Center.
According to the Illinois Attorney General you can sue, without an attorney, up to $10,000. Riverwoods is in Lake County. Lake County Small Claims page.
Not advising anyone on how to proceed, as I'm not a lawyer, but this is what has worked for me in the past.
- Attempt informal resolution (aka Letter of Demand). Most small claims courts require this but apparently Lake County does not. Make sure you outline your complaint clearly and what you expect in return. Do not be ambiguous. Send carbon copies to executives of interest. Emails will always be ignored. You need to mail physical copies Certified with Return Receipt Requested.
- Start the small claims process. Have the executives served BY THE SHERIFF. Extremely embarrassing for the folks being served. How many times will they tolerate that?
Here's Lake County's procedure for summons:
- Go to court and explain the situation. Don't be vague or ambiquous. Be honest. Was your adversary?
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While I disagree w/ your assertion that Discover has no evidence for court...they can subpoena legitimate business records. I do agree with the CFPB complaint avenue. In fact The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation ("FDIC") is the appropriate Federal banking agency with respect to Discover Bank, Greenwood, Delaware ("Discover"), under section 3(q) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act ("FDI Act"), 12 U.S.C. § 1813(q). The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (''CFPB") has jurisdiction over Discover, pursuant to sections I002(6), l025 and 1053(b) ofthe Consumer Financial Protection Act ("CFP Act"), 12 U.S.C. §§ 5481(6), 5515 and 5563(b).
The FDIC and CFPB have previously held that Discover has engaged in deceptive acts and practices in or affecting commerce, in violation ofsection 5 ofthe Federal Trade Commission Act ("Section 5"), 15 U.S.C. § 45(a)(l), and in deceptive acts and practices in violation of sections 1031 and 1036 of the CFP Act(together"Section 1036"), 12 U.S.C. §§ 5531,5536.
Furthermore I suspect Discover is currently violating various terms related to a previous enforcement action/consent order including but not limited to:
(a) operating in violation of Section 5 or of Section 1036;
(b) engaging in deceptive marketing and sales of the Products in violation of Section5 or of Section 1036;
(c) operating Discover with an inadequate compliance management system to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements ofpolicy;
(d) operating Discover without adequate oversight by the Board and supervision by senior management ofthe Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section l036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy; and 5
(e) operating Discover with an inadequate system o f internal controls and an inadequate internal audit system with regard to the Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy.
Per CPFB Discover shall not make, or allow to be made, any material misleading or deceptive representation, statement, or omission, expressly or by implication, in the marketing materials, telemarketing scripts and/or sales presentation used to solicit any Cardmember or prospective Cardmember, or in any similar communication in connection with any Product.
Discover shall not make or allow to be made, directly or indirectly, any misrepresentation or omission, expressly or by implication, about any material term of an offer related to any Product in connection with the advertising, marketing (including telemarketing and online marketing), offering, soliciting, eligibility, billing, servicing, or account maintenance with respect to a Product, including but not limited to misrepresentations or omissions as to the following:
(i) any and all fees, costs, expenses, and charges associated with the Products;
(ii) all material conditions, benefits, and restrictions related to the Products;
(iii) the purpose of sales calls and/or sales portions of servicing or other calls;
(iv) payment terms for a Product, including a description of when a
Cardmember will be charged for a Product or incur charges for a Product;
(v) refunds or adjustments for a Product fee and Discover policies for such
refunds and adjustments.
The foregoing information has been cited from the FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION / CONSUMER FINANCIAL PROTECTION BUREAU
JOINT CONSENT ORDER, ORDER FOR RESTITUTION, AND ORDER TO PAY CIVIL
MONEY PENALTY
Docket Numbers FDIC-ll-548b; FDIC-ll-55lk & 2012-CFPB-0005
http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/2...order_0005.pdf
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See below for a draft CFPB complaint. A "Plain English" variation may be better suited for you depending upon what you are comfortable with.
*****Warning: This information is not intended to constitute legal advice*****
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation ("FDIC") is the appropriate Federal banking agency with respect to Discover Bank, Greenwood, Delaware ("Discover"), under section 3(q) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act ("FDI Act"), 12 U.S.C. § 1813(q). The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (''CFPB") has jurisdiction over Discover, pursuant to sections I002(6), l025 and 1053(b) of the Consumer Financial Protection Act ("CFP Act"), 12 U.S.C. §§ 5481(6), 5515 and 5563(b).
Myself and numerous other similarly situated Discover consumers have not reasonably been able to obtain rewards, as marketed and represented by the entity. Discover has engaged in unfair practices by imposing "burdensome requirements" on consumers in connection with its suggestion that receipts need to be submitted in order to claim the rewards offered under the promotion. Curiously, the terms and conditions governing the Discover promotion in question have never outwardly stated that the consumer needed to keep receipts.
The terms of the promotion
This promotion is referenced on Discover's website: under the Apple Pay FAQ section of Discover's website. The relevant details are under the "Earn Rewards" section:
“What are the details for the 10% Cashback Bonus® promotion? Cashback Bonus Earn an extra 10% Cashback Bonus on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through 12/31/15. Excludes gift card purchases. No sign up needed. Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Cashback Bonus account within 2 billing periods. See Cashback Bonus Program Terms and Conditions for more information. Miles version: Earn an extra 10 miles per dollar on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through 12/31/15. Excludes gift cards. No sign up needed. Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Miles account within 2 billing periods. See Miles Program Terms and Conditions for more information.”
https://www.discover.com/credit-card...apple-pay.html - q21
https://www.discover.com/credit-card...-it-miles.html
THE PERVASIVE NATURE OF THE PROBLEM
• The gift card exclusion was added several days after the promotion was launched
• Discover is now blanket rejecting purchases above a certain amount
• Discover is requiring customers to retain receipts
• Discover does not have the requirement to keep receipts in the Terms and Conditions governing the promotion
• This is a blatant attack on consumer privacy
• The burden of proof is shifted to the consumer, instead of the credit card company
• If Discover wants to exclude gift cards, they need to do it accurately and automatically, without the need of receipts being sent into Discover.
[email protected] sent e-mails to me which erroneously suggested that the following transaction’s on my account included a gift cards:
As described above Discover is blanket denying all large purchases under the false suggestion that they contain gift cards when in fact none of my purchases contained gift cards.
As a result I am still missing bonus mileage credit for the following purchases which are in fact eligible and qualify for the Discover & APPLE PAY 10% BONUS promotion:
Discovers actions are Unfair, Deceptive and Abusive under Section 1036
Section 1036 defines an "unfair" act or practice as follows:
The act or practice causes or is likely to cause substantial injury to consumers.
The injury is not reasonably avoidable by consumers.
The injury is not outweighed by countervailing benefits to consumers or to competition.
Section 1036 outlines deceptive. The Bureau's articulation of "deceptive" follows the FTC's; beginning with the inclusion not only of acts or practices but also representations and omissions. There is not just an obligation to avoid lying (which Discover is clearly doing in this situation), there is an affirmative obligation of full disclosure. By omitting the requirement for the consumer to save receipts in the terms and conditions and then seeking to condition the payment of rewards on submission of receipts is the definition of deception. Here is the most important advice on deception from the Bureau, which creates an affirmative obligation not to omit any information necessary for full customer evaluation of the product: omissions will be presumed to be material when the financial institution knew or should have known that the consumer needed the omitted information to evaluate the product or service.
Can Discover honestly say that it did not know in the situation outlined above that the consumer needed the omitted information to evaluate the product or service?
And finally, Abusive.
There are four separate ways in which an act or practice can be found to be abusive under Section 1031 of the Act:
Material interference with the consumer's ability to understand a term or condition.
Taking unreasonable advantage of:
The consumer's lack of understanding of material risks, costs or conditions.
The inability of the consumer to protect himself in selecting or using the product/service.
Key product terms or features are not readily available to consumers.
Discover never made known to consumers the full terms such as requiring receipts until after the offer had been accepted and the cardholder no longer was able to carefully consider the full extent of the exercise. This practice is Unfair, Deceptive and Abusive on it’s face.
I will add that the FDIC and CFPB have already previously held that Discover has engaged in deceptive acts and practices in or affecting commerce, in violation of section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act ("Section 5"), 15 U.S.C. § 45(a)(l), and in deceptive acts and practices in violation of sections 1031 and 1036 of the CFP Act(together "Section 1036"), 12 U.S.C. §§ 5531,5536.
Citing the above information described in this complaint it is readily apparent that Discover is currently violating numerous terms of the previous FDIC/CFPB enforcement action/consent order including but not limited to:
(a) operating in violation of Section 5 or of Section 1036;
(b) engaging in deceptive marketing and sales of the Products in violation of Section5 or of Section 1036;
(c) operating Discover with an inadequate compliance management system to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy;
(d) operating Discover without adequate oversight by the Board and supervision by senior management of the Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section l036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy; and 5
(e) operating Discover with an inadequate system o f internal controls and an inadequate internal audit system with regard to the Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy.
Per CPFB Discover shall not make, or allow to be made, any material misleading or deceptive representation, statement, or omission, expressly or by implication, in the marketing materials, telemarketing scripts and/or sales presentation used to solicit any Cardmember or prospective Cardmember, or in any similar communication in connection with any Product.
Discover shall not make or allow to be made, directly or indirectly, any misrepresentation or omission, expressly or by implication, about any material term of an offer related to any Product in connection with the advertising, marketing (including telemarketing and online marketing), offering, soliciting, eligibility, billing, servicing, or account maintenance with respect to a Product, including but not limited to misrepresentations or omissions as to the following:
(i) any and all fees, costs, expenses, and charges associated with the Products;
(ii) all material conditions, benefits, and restrictions related to the Products.
The foregoing information has been cited from enforcement action/consent order docket Numbers FDIC-ll-548b; FDIC-ll-55lk & 2012-CFPB-0005)
http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/2...order_0005.pdf
Taking the above into account my desired resolution is that if Discover wants to exclude gift card purchases, they need to be able to do it automatically and accurately. The burden of proof should not fall on the consumer and consumers should not need to keep receipts, as this was never outlined in the terms and conditions. In light of these unfair, deceptive and abusive actions against consumers, Discover should honor all Apple Pay purchases with the advertised bonus of 10% or 10X miles.
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11/23: Discover gave 10% cash back without receipts if you bought gift cards PRIOR to September 18, 2015. Purchases from Sept 18th onward may get flagged by Discover (parameters unknown) for which receipts are requested.
9/18: the terms are now shown in the wallet app, and exclude gift cards. Discover's Apple Pay FAQ has been updated to reflect these new terms. It's unknown if this will be enforced or not.
There are two references to this promotion on Discover's website:
If you feel you have been unfairly treated legal action may be necessary:
Discover Financial Service's CEO is David W. Nelms. He is also Chairman of the Board of Directors.
Other notable executives are:
Kelly McNamara Corley - General Counsel and Secretary
James V. Panzarino - President: Credit and Card Operations
The physical address of the corporate headquarters is:
DISCOVER FINANCIAL SERVICES
2500 LAKE COOK ROAD
RIVERWOODS, IL, UNITED STATES 60015
from National Information Center.
According to the Illinois Attorney General you can sue, without an attorney, up to $10,000. Riverwoods is in Lake County. Lake County Small Claims page.
Not advising anyone on how to proceed, as I'm not a lawyer, but this is what has worked for me in the past.
- Attempt informal resolution (aka Letter of Demand). Most small claims courts require this but apparently Lake County does not. Make sure you outline your complaint clearly and what you expect in return. Do not be ambiguous. Send carbon copies to executives of interest. Emails will always be ignored. You need to mail physical copies Certified with Return Receipt Requested.
- Start the small claims process. Have the executives served BY THE SHERIFF. Extremely embarrassing for the folks being served. How many times will they tolerate that?
Here's Lake County's procedure for summons:
B. Arrange to notify the defendant of the suit. This can be done in one of three ways:
1. If the defendant has a mailing address within the state of Illinois, you may choose to give notice by serving summons by certified mail, return receipt requested. You should fill out and sign the AFFIDAVIT FOR SERVICE BY CERTIFIED MAIL found on the reverse side of the Small Claim Summons. Only the clerk, not you, may mail the summons. This method is less expensive than the second. However, if the letter carrier is unable to obtain the necessary signature on the postal receipt (green card), you will have to ask the clerk to issue a second (alias) summons.
2. If you choose to have the Sheriff serve the summons, place the summons (one original, two copies, each having attached a copy of the complaint) with the Sheriff for hand delivery to the defendant. If the defendant is to be served in Lake County, deliver the summons to the Civil Process Division of the Lake County Sheriff’s Office. If the defendant is to be served somewhere outside Lake county, you must arrange to deliver the summons to the Sheriff of the appropriate county and state.
3. Place the summons and copies mentioned in paragraph 2 with a licensed/registered private detective for hand delivery to the defendant.
1. If the defendant has a mailing address within the state of Illinois, you may choose to give notice by serving summons by certified mail, return receipt requested. You should fill out and sign the AFFIDAVIT FOR SERVICE BY CERTIFIED MAIL found on the reverse side of the Small Claim Summons. Only the clerk, not you, may mail the summons. This method is less expensive than the second. However, if the letter carrier is unable to obtain the necessary signature on the postal receipt (green card), you will have to ask the clerk to issue a second (alias) summons.
2. If you choose to have the Sheriff serve the summons, place the summons (one original, two copies, each having attached a copy of the complaint) with the Sheriff for hand delivery to the defendant. If the defendant is to be served in Lake County, deliver the summons to the Civil Process Division of the Lake County Sheriff’s Office. If the defendant is to be served somewhere outside Lake county, you must arrange to deliver the summons to the Sheriff of the appropriate county and state.
3. Place the summons and copies mentioned in paragraph 2 with a licensed/registered private detective for hand delivery to the defendant.
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*****Warning: This information is not intended to constitute legal advice*****
While I disagree w/ your assertion that Discover has no evidence for court...they can subpoena legitimate business records. I do agree with the CFPB complaint avenue. In fact The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation ("FDIC") is the appropriate Federal banking agency with respect to Discover Bank, Greenwood, Delaware ("Discover"), under section 3(q) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act ("FDI Act"), 12 U.S.C. § 1813(q). The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (''CFPB") has jurisdiction over Discover, pursuant to sections I002(6), l025 and 1053(b) ofthe Consumer Financial Protection Act ("CFP Act"), 12 U.S.C. §§ 5481(6), 5515 and 5563(b).
The FDIC and CFPB have previously held that Discover has engaged in deceptive acts and practices in or affecting commerce, in violation ofsection 5 ofthe Federal Trade Commission Act ("Section 5"), 15 U.S.C. § 45(a)(l), and in deceptive acts and practices in violation of sections 1031 and 1036 of the CFP Act(together"Section 1036"), 12 U.S.C. §§ 5531,5536.
Furthermore I suspect Discover is currently violating various terms related to a previous enforcement action/consent order including but not limited to:
(a) operating in violation of Section 5 or of Section 1036;
(b) engaging in deceptive marketing and sales of the Products in violation of Section5 or of Section 1036;
(c) operating Discover with an inadequate compliance management system to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements ofpolicy;
(d) operating Discover without adequate oversight by the Board and supervision by senior management ofthe Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section l036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy; and 5
(e) operating Discover with an inadequate system o f internal controls and an inadequate internal audit system with regard to the Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy.
Per CPFB Discover shall not make, or allow to be made, any material misleading or deceptive representation, statement, or omission, expressly or by implication, in the marketing materials, telemarketing scripts and/or sales presentation used to solicit any Cardmember or prospective Cardmember, or in any similar communication in connection with any Product.
Discover shall not make or allow to be made, directly or indirectly, any misrepresentation or omission, expressly or by implication, about any material term of an offer related to any Product in connection with the advertising, marketing (including telemarketing and online marketing), offering, soliciting, eligibility, billing, servicing, or account maintenance with respect to a Product, including but not limited to misrepresentations or omissions as to the following:
(i) any and all fees, costs, expenses, and charges associated with the Products;
(ii) all material conditions, benefits, and restrictions related to the Products;
(iii) the purpose of sales calls and/or sales portions of servicing or other calls;
(iv) payment terms for a Product, including a description of when a
Cardmember will be charged for a Product or incur charges for a Product;
(v) refunds or adjustments for a Product fee and Discover policies for such
refunds and adjustments.
The foregoing information has been cited from the FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION / CONSUMER FINANCIAL PROTECTION BUREAU
JOINT CONSENT ORDER, ORDER FOR RESTITUTION, AND ORDER TO PAY CIVIL
MONEY PENALTY
Docket Numbers FDIC-ll-548b; FDIC-ll-55lk & 2012-CFPB-0005
http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/2...order_0005.pdf
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See below for a draft CFPB complaint. A "Plain English" variation may be better suited for you depending upon what you are comfortable with.
*****Warning: This information is not intended to constitute legal advice*****
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation ("FDIC") is the appropriate Federal banking agency with respect to Discover Bank, Greenwood, Delaware ("Discover"), under section 3(q) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act ("FDI Act"), 12 U.S.C. § 1813(q). The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (''CFPB") has jurisdiction over Discover, pursuant to sections I002(6), l025 and 1053(b) of the Consumer Financial Protection Act ("CFP Act"), 12 U.S.C. §§ 5481(6), 5515 and 5563(b).
Myself and numerous other similarly situated Discover consumers have not reasonably been able to obtain rewards, as marketed and represented by the entity. Discover has engaged in unfair practices by imposing "burdensome requirements" on consumers in connection with its suggestion that receipts need to be submitted in order to claim the rewards offered under the promotion. Curiously, the terms and conditions governing the Discover promotion in question have never outwardly stated that the consumer needed to keep receipts.
The terms of the promotion
This promotion is referenced on Discover's website: under the Apple Pay FAQ section of Discover's website. The relevant details are under the "Earn Rewards" section:
“What are the details for the 10% Cashback Bonus® promotion? Cashback Bonus Earn an extra 10% Cashback Bonus on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through 12/31/15. Excludes gift card purchases. No sign up needed. Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Cashback Bonus account within 2 billing periods. See Cashback Bonus Program Terms and Conditions for more information. Miles version: Earn an extra 10 miles per dollar on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through 12/31/15. Excludes gift cards. No sign up needed. Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Miles account within 2 billing periods. See Miles Program Terms and Conditions for more information.”
https://www.discover.com/credit-card...apple-pay.html - q21
https://www.discover.com/credit-card...-it-miles.html
THE PERVASIVE NATURE OF THE PROBLEM
• The gift card exclusion was added several days after the promotion was launched
• Discover is now blanket rejecting purchases above a certain amount
• Discover is requiring customers to retain receipts
• Discover does not have the requirement to keep receipts in the Terms and Conditions governing the promotion
• This is a blatant attack on consumer privacy
• The burden of proof is shifted to the consumer, instead of the credit card company
• If Discover wants to exclude gift cards, they need to do it accurately and automatically, without the need of receipts being sent into Discover.
[email protected] sent e-mails to me which erroneously suggested that the following transaction’s on my account included a gift cards:
As described above Discover is blanket denying all large purchases under the false suggestion that they contain gift cards when in fact none of my purchases contained gift cards.
As a result I am still missing bonus mileage credit for the following purchases which are in fact eligible and qualify for the Discover & APPLE PAY 10% BONUS promotion:
Discovers actions are Unfair, Deceptive and Abusive under Section 1036
Section 1036 defines an "unfair" act or practice as follows:
The act or practice causes or is likely to cause substantial injury to consumers.
The injury is not reasonably avoidable by consumers.
The injury is not outweighed by countervailing benefits to consumers or to competition.
Section 1036 outlines deceptive. The Bureau's articulation of "deceptive" follows the FTC's; beginning with the inclusion not only of acts or practices but also representations and omissions. There is not just an obligation to avoid lying (which Discover is clearly doing in this situation), there is an affirmative obligation of full disclosure. By omitting the requirement for the consumer to save receipts in the terms and conditions and then seeking to condition the payment of rewards on submission of receipts is the definition of deception. Here is the most important advice on deception from the Bureau, which creates an affirmative obligation not to omit any information necessary for full customer evaluation of the product: omissions will be presumed to be material when the financial institution knew or should have known that the consumer needed the omitted information to evaluate the product or service.
Can Discover honestly say that it did not know in the situation outlined above that the consumer needed the omitted information to evaluate the product or service?
And finally, Abusive.
There are four separate ways in which an act or practice can be found to be abusive under Section 1031 of the Act:
Material interference with the consumer's ability to understand a term or condition.
Taking unreasonable advantage of:
The consumer's lack of understanding of material risks, costs or conditions.
The inability of the consumer to protect himself in selecting or using the product/service.
Key product terms or features are not readily available to consumers.
Discover never made known to consumers the full terms such as requiring receipts until after the offer had been accepted and the cardholder no longer was able to carefully consider the full extent of the exercise. This practice is Unfair, Deceptive and Abusive on it’s face.
I will add that the FDIC and CFPB have already previously held that Discover has engaged in deceptive acts and practices in or affecting commerce, in violation of section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act ("Section 5"), 15 U.S.C. § 45(a)(l), and in deceptive acts and practices in violation of sections 1031 and 1036 of the CFP Act(together "Section 1036"), 12 U.S.C. §§ 5531,5536.
Citing the above information described in this complaint it is readily apparent that Discover is currently violating numerous terms of the previous FDIC/CFPB enforcement action/consent order including but not limited to:
(a) operating in violation of Section 5 or of Section 1036;
(b) engaging in deceptive marketing and sales of the Products in violation of Section5 or of Section 1036;
(c) operating Discover with an inadequate compliance management system to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy;
(d) operating Discover without adequate oversight by the Board and supervision by senior management of the Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section l036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy; and 5
(e) operating Discover with an inadequate system o f internal controls and an inadequate internal audit system with regard to the Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy.
Per CPFB Discover shall not make, or allow to be made, any material misleading or deceptive representation, statement, or omission, expressly or by implication, in the marketing materials, telemarketing scripts and/or sales presentation used to solicit any Cardmember or prospective Cardmember, or in any similar communication in connection with any Product.
Discover shall not make or allow to be made, directly or indirectly, any misrepresentation or omission, expressly or by implication, about any material term of an offer related to any Product in connection with the advertising, marketing (including telemarketing and online marketing), offering, soliciting, eligibility, billing, servicing, or account maintenance with respect to a Product, including but not limited to misrepresentations or omissions as to the following:
(i) any and all fees, costs, expenses, and charges associated with the Products;
(ii) all material conditions, benefits, and restrictions related to the Products.
The foregoing information has been cited from enforcement action/consent order docket Numbers FDIC-ll-548b; FDIC-ll-55lk & 2012-CFPB-0005)
http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/2...order_0005.pdf
Taking the above into account my desired resolution is that if Discover wants to exclude gift card purchases, they need to be able to do it automatically and accurately. The burden of proof should not fall on the consumer and consumers should not need to keep receipts, as this was never outlined in the terms and conditions. In light of these unfair, deceptive and abusive actions against consumers, Discover should honor all Apple Pay purchases with the advertised bonus of 10% or 10X miles.
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11/23: Discover gave 10% cash back without receipts if you bought gift cards PRIOR to September 18, 2015. Purchases from Sept 18th onward may get flagged by Discover (parameters unknown) for which receipts are requested.
9/18: the terms are now shown in the wallet app, and exclude gift cards. Discover's Apple Pay FAQ has been updated to reflect these new terms. It's unknown if this will be enforced or not.
There are two references to this promotion on Discover's website:
- The Apple Pay FAQ on Discover's website. The relevant details are under the "Earn Rewards" section.The previous terms are below. Once again, the following terms are NOT the terms that are currently in effect. (If you made any transactions under the old terms that may be excluded by the new terms, I hope you saved copies of the old terms!)What are the details for the 10% Cashback Bonus® promotion?
Cashback Bonus
Earn an extra 10% Cashback Bonus on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through 12/31/15. Excludes gift card purchases. No sign up needed.
Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Cashback Bonus account within 2 billing periods. See Cashback Bonus Program Terms and Conditions for more information.
Miles version:
Earn an extra 10 miles per dollar on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through 12/31/15. Excludes gift cards. No sign up needed.
Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Miles account within 2 billing periods. See Miles Program Terms and Conditions for more information.What are the details for the 10% Cashback Bonus® promotion?
Cashback Bonus:
Earn an extra 10% Cashback Bonus on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through December 31, 2015. Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Cashback Bonus account within 2 billing periods. See Cashback Bonus Program Terms and Conditions for more information.
Miles:
Earn an extra 10 miles per dollar on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through December 31, 2015 now through 12/31/15. Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Miles account within 2 billing periods. See Miles Program Terms and Conditions for more information. The press release on Discover's website. This is the same press release that was distributed on Business Wire's website.(Warning: The terms described in this press release are not consistent with the current terms, which exclude gift cards. This is a press release, not a living document, so an update is unexpected/unlikely.)From September 16, to the end of the year, cardmembers who pay with their Discover card using Apple Pay will automatically earn an extra 10% Cashback Bonus on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases. Discover it Miles, Miles and Escape cardmembers will earn an extra 10 miles per dollar on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases.
- I can't add my discover card.
you need to upgrade to iOS9 to add the Discover card.
- Can I have more than 2 Discover cards?
It is not possible, as you can only have two Discover Credit products at any one time, and you can only open your second one after having the first for at least 12 months.
- If I add my SO as an AU will both of our cards get the 10 bonus or is it 1 per account?
1 per account
- How do I get Apple Pay?
You will need either an iPhone 6 or an Apple Watch linked to an iPhone 5 or iPhone 6
- Which stores accept Apple Pay?
see: http://www.apple.com/apple-pay/where-to-use-apple-pay/
- Which cards are eligible for the Apple Pay 10% Cashback Bonus promotion?
The following Discover cards are eligible for the promotion:
Discover it®
Discover it Chrome
Discover More®
Discover Open Road®
Discover Motiva℠ - How do I report Apple Pay Discover transaction issues at merchants?
see: http://www.apple.com/feedback/apple-pay.html
- Are Apple pay purchases made through store apps on the iphone eligible for this promo?
No, purchases must be made in store.
- How do I determine how much Cashback is from the Apple Pay promo?
Log into full discover website (desktop version). Navigate to recent transactions. From this view select the statement period. Once you have the statement transactions up you should see a detailed break out of the Cashback by 5%, discover deals, AP， etc... You will have to view each statement to get total AP. You can download transactions to excel to try and figure out which match up to AP payout.
Discover 10% Cashback Bonus in-store through 2015 when using Apple Pay, up to $10k
Sep 11, 2015, 9:38 am
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this is what i found:
http://www.att.com/esupport/article....B426684&cv=820
To get a new phone using the AT&T Access More credit card from Citi:
Apply for the AT&T Access More credit card from Citi at citi.com/attaccesscards. The phone offer is not available to customers with an AT&T Access More Card that was opened or closed in the past 18 months.
Once approved, use the link shown on-screen to shop for a new phone. This offer is only available for online purchases using the personalized AT&T link provided.2 If you'd like to shop at another time, just save the link shown on-screen or use the link provided in the welcome email. You can also log in to your new Citi account at citi.com/att and select View offer to access the personalized shop link.
Purchase a new phone at full retail price using your new AT&T Access More credit card. The reimbursement offer is only available for eligible smartphone and feature phone purchases at full retail price. Phones purchased via a two year wireless agreement or AT&T Next agreements and prepaid phones are not eligible. During check out, charges shown as due today will be charged to your Access More card. Once you've purchased an eligible phone, we'll send that information to Citibank for reimbursement once you meet the requirements.
To be reimbursed up to $650 toward the purchase of a new AT&T phone:
Meet the AT&T Access More spending requirements. You must spend a minimum of $2,000 with your new AT&T Access More card within 3 months of opening the account. The cost of the wireless phone will count toward the $2,000 spend requirement.3
Get reimbursed for your AT&T phone purchase. If you meet the $2,000 spend requirement within 3 months, you'll be reimbursed up to $650 for the cost of the phone (excludes taxes, fees, shipping and wireless service).4 For example, if you purchased a $500 phone and you met the spend requirement, you'll be reimbursed $500. If the phone you purchased costs $800, you will be reimbursed $650.
Receive your bill credit. Citibank monitors when you've met the spend requirements, and upon doing so, will issue a bill credit to your AT&T Citi Access More bill (up to $650; exclusive of taxes, fees, shipping and wireless service). Typically, you'll see the bill credit 1-2 billing cycles after the spend requirement has been met.
http://www.att.com/esupport/article....B426684&cv=820
To get a new phone using the AT&T Access More credit card from Citi:
Apply for the AT&T Access More credit card from Citi at citi.com/attaccesscards. The phone offer is not available to customers with an AT&T Access More Card that was opened or closed in the past 18 months.
Once approved, use the link shown on-screen to shop for a new phone. This offer is only available for online purchases using the personalized AT&T link provided.2 If you'd like to shop at another time, just save the link shown on-screen or use the link provided in the welcome email. You can also log in to your new Citi account at citi.com/att and select View offer to access the personalized shop link.
Purchase a new phone at full retail price using your new AT&T Access More credit card. The reimbursement offer is only available for eligible smartphone and feature phone purchases at full retail price. Phones purchased via a two year wireless agreement or AT&T Next agreements and prepaid phones are not eligible. During check out, charges shown as due today will be charged to your Access More card. Once you've purchased an eligible phone, we'll send that information to Citibank for reimbursement once you meet the requirements.
To be reimbursed up to $650 toward the purchase of a new AT&T phone:
Meet the AT&T Access More spending requirements. You must spend a minimum of $2,000 with your new AT&T Access More card within 3 months of opening the account. The cost of the wireless phone will count toward the $2,000 spend requirement.3
Get reimbursed for your AT&T phone purchase. If you meet the $2,000 spend requirement within 3 months, you'll be reimbursed up to $650 for the cost of the phone (excludes taxes, fees, shipping and wireless service).4 For example, if you purchased a $500 phone and you met the spend requirement, you'll be reimbursed $500. If the phone you purchased costs $800, you will be reimbursed $650.
Receive your bill credit. Citibank monitors when you've met the spend requirements, and upon doing so, will issue a bill credit to your AT&T Citi Access More bill (up to $650; exclusive of taxes, fees, shipping and wireless service). Typically, you'll see the bill credit 1-2 billing cycles after the spend requirement has been met.
Sep 11, 2015, 11:07 am
#93
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 158
I don't recommend Discover. it's been a headache getting the cash back rewards to post and my Discover Deals portal purchases to track. I have to follow up with them on 2/3 of my purchases since they rarely post properly. I've concluded that the reason they're able to advertise rewards that are 2x better than the competition is because they only expect that a fraction of the rewards advertised will ever end up actually being paid out. And good luck arguing with them in September, 2016 that they failed to Double rewards from a purchase you made back in September, 2015. Very shady credit card company in my opinion. I will stick with Amex, Citi, and Chase.
Sep 11, 2015, 11:51 am
#94
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 109
Just to confirm, I can add a discover card in my name to my spouse`s apple pay account and use it at Walgreens. If Walgreens asks for ID(which they mostly do when I buy with CC) will I need to show my ID or will my spouse has to show hers ?
Sep 11, 2015, 11:58 am
#95
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 161
this is what i found:
http://www.att.com/esupport/article....B426684&cv=820
To get a new phone using the AT&T Access More credit card from Citi:
Apply for the AT&T Access More credit card from Citi at citi.com/attaccesscards. The phone offer is not available to customers with an AT&T Access More Card that was opened or closed in the past 18 months.
Once approved, use the link shown on-screen to shop for a new phone. This offer is only available for online purchases using the personalized AT&T link provided.2 If you'd like to shop at another time, just save the link shown on-screen or use the link provided in the welcome email. You can also log in to your new Citi account at citi.com/att and select View offer to access the personalized shop link.
Purchase a new phone at full retail price using your new AT&T Access More credit card. The reimbursement offer is only available for eligible smartphone and feature phone purchases at full retail price. Phones purchased via a two year wireless agreement or AT&T Next agreements and prepaid phones are not eligible. During check out, charges shown as due today will be charged to your Access More card. Once you've purchased an eligible phone, we'll send that information to Citibank for reimbursement once you meet the requirements.
To be reimbursed up to $650 toward the purchase of a new AT&T phone:
Meet the AT&T Access More spending requirements. You must spend a minimum of $2,000 with your new AT&T Access More card within 3 months of opening the account. The cost of the wireless phone will count toward the $2,000 spend requirement.3
Get reimbursed for your AT&T phone purchase. If you meet the $2,000 spend requirement within 3 months, you'll be reimbursed up to $650 for the cost of the phone (excludes taxes, fees, shipping and wireless service).4 For example, if you purchased a $500 phone and you met the spend requirement, you'll be reimbursed $500. If the phone you purchased costs $800, you will be reimbursed $650.
Receive your bill credit. Citibank monitors when you've met the spend requirements, and upon doing so, will issue a bill credit to your AT&T Citi Access More bill (up to $650; exclusive of taxes, fees, shipping and wireless service). Typically, you'll see the bill credit 1-2 billing cycles after the spend requirement has been met.
http://www.att.com/esupport/article....B426684&cv=820
To get a new phone using the AT&T Access More credit card from Citi:
Apply for the AT&T Access More credit card from Citi at citi.com/attaccesscards. The phone offer is not available to customers with an AT&T Access More Card that was opened or closed in the past 18 months.
Once approved, use the link shown on-screen to shop for a new phone. This offer is only available for online purchases using the personalized AT&T link provided.2 If you'd like to shop at another time, just save the link shown on-screen or use the link provided in the welcome email. You can also log in to your new Citi account at citi.com/att and select View offer to access the personalized shop link.
Purchase a new phone at full retail price using your new AT&T Access More credit card. The reimbursement offer is only available for eligible smartphone and feature phone purchases at full retail price. Phones purchased via a two year wireless agreement or AT&T Next agreements and prepaid phones are not eligible. During check out, charges shown as due today will be charged to your Access More card. Once you've purchased an eligible phone, we'll send that information to Citibank for reimbursement once you meet the requirements.
To be reimbursed up to $650 toward the purchase of a new AT&T phone:
Meet the AT&T Access More spending requirements. You must spend a minimum of $2,000 with your new AT&T Access More card within 3 months of opening the account. The cost of the wireless phone will count toward the $2,000 spend requirement.3
Get reimbursed for your AT&T phone purchase. If you meet the $2,000 spend requirement within 3 months, you'll be reimbursed up to $650 for the cost of the phone (excludes taxes, fees, shipping and wireless service).4 For example, if you purchased a $500 phone and you met the spend requirement, you'll be reimbursed $500. If the phone you purchased costs $800, you will be reimbursed $650.
Receive your bill credit. Citibank monitors when you've met the spend requirements, and upon doing so, will issue a bill credit to your AT&T Citi Access More bill (up to $650; exclusive of taxes, fees, shipping and wireless service). Typically, you'll see the bill credit 1-2 billing cycles after the spend requirement has been met.
Thank you for the writeup. I am a T-Mobile customer that would like to use this phone offer. Could someone advise what AT&T plan would work best with the intention of keeping it for the minimum amount of time to qualify for the credit? Thanks again!
Sep 11, 2015, 12:20 pm
#96
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Bay area, CA
Programs: SW, AS, UA, AA, Delta, Hilton, Hyatt, Club Carlson, SPG, IHG, Choice
Posts: 183
I am in the same boat. I am T-mobile customer and does not want to switch it.
What are best options to get iphone 6?
For 14-day return period, doesn't it get charged 15% restocking fee?
What are best options to get iphone 6?
For 14-day return period, doesn't it get charged 15% restocking fee?
Sep 11, 2015, 2:04 pm
#97
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 321
BTW - "Getting a lump sum can be a more attractive option if you manage the money well. Why? The biggest drawback of an annuity payment is that annuities rarely indexed for inflation. At an annual 3 percent inflation rate, a monthly check worth $2,000 today would be worth $1,488 in 10 years, and $1,107 in 20 years."
Last edited by DVDBob; Sep 11, 2015 at 2:17 pm
Sep 11, 2015, 6:22 pm
#98
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 1
Ok, so I have never used Apple Pay before until this evening. Everything went through fine. I don't have a discover card, but I was just testing with an amex. I have the charge listed on my amex, but it is just showing the name of the merchant. How does discover know I went through apple pay? At least with paypal, you can see that it was paypal. I'm sure they have a way, but it's not really showing a difference for me.
Sep 11, 2015, 8:38 pm
#99
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Bay Area, CA
Programs: SPG, Hyatt Diamond Member, Club Calrson Silver, AA, Hilton Gold, BA
Posts: 476
Does anyone know if Discover will pay back monthly CB for this promotion or do you have to wait until the end of 2015 to get that paid out?
Sep 11, 2015, 8:57 pm
#100
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 278
Although I used an Amex to test, my question was to credit card companies in general. Did you really think the question was if Discover knows what my Amex account reflects? Wow. Cool first post, bro.
Sep 11, 2015, 9:00 pm
#101
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 278
I couldn't find any after a good bit of digging. I may have been missing something easy to find, but I went ahead with no sign-up. I found a bunch of blogger sites reaching for referrals with nothing to offer but a link to one click past discover's home page.
Sep 12, 2015, 12:29 pm
#102
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 163
It is surprising that the 10% cashback is in ADDITION to rather than in lieu of the regular 1% cashback (or 1.5% with the Miles card). This is unlike the 5% categories, which are actually 4% categories since only 4% extra is given over the usual 1% back.
Sep 12, 2015, 4:39 pm
#104
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: SAN
Programs: Delta Gold. Hilton Diamond. Hyatt Explorist.
Posts: 1,674
no referrals please
Several posts have been deleted asking for or offering referrals. Please post referrals in the dedicated thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/credi...-first-40.html
Sep 12, 2015, 10:14 pm
#105
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 61
I wouldn't recommend ATT for any phone plan. They are all expensive. I just switched my wife and I over to Cricket Wireless. They are an ATT subsidiary, so you get the ATT network at much lower prices and no contract.