Sep 15, 2015, 12:20 pm
Last edit by: Chelski
Discover is not honoring the initial terms of the promotion that many of us applied for and paid $650 (or more) for an iPhone specifically and only for the initial terms of this promotion.
If you feel you have been unfairly treated legal action may be necessary:
Discover Financial Service's CEO is David W. Nelms. He is also Chairman of the Board of Directors.
Other notable executives are:
Kelly McNamara Corley - General Counsel and Secretary
James V. Panzarino - President: Credit and Card Operations
The physical address of the corporate headquarters is:
DISCOVER FINANCIAL SERVICES
2500 LAKE COOK ROAD
RIVERWOODS, IL, UNITED STATES 60015
from National Information Center.
According to the Illinois Attorney General you can sue, without an attorney, up to $10,000. Riverwoods is in Lake County. Lake County Small Claims page.
Not advising anyone on how to proceed, as I'm not a lawyer, but this is what has worked for me in the past.
- Attempt informal resolution (aka Letter of Demand). Most small claims courts require this but apparently Lake County does not. Make sure you outline your complaint clearly and what you expect in return. Do not be ambiguous. Send carbon copies to executives of interest. Emails will always be ignored. You need to mail physical copies Certified with Return Receipt Requested.
- Start the small claims process. Have the executives served BY THE SHERIFF. Extremely embarrassing for the folks being served. How many times will they tolerate that?
Here's Lake County's procedure for summons:
- Go to court and explain the situation. Don't be vague or ambiquous. Be honest. Was your adversary?
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While I disagree w/ your assertion that Discover has no evidence for court...they can subpoena legitimate business records. I do agree with the CFPB complaint avenue. In fact The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation ("FDIC") is the appropriate Federal banking agency with respect to Discover Bank, Greenwood, Delaware ("Discover"), under section 3(q) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act ("FDI Act"), 12 U.S.C. 1813(q). The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (''CFPB") has jurisdiction over Discover, pursuant to sections I002(6), l025 and 1053(b) ofthe Consumer Financial Protection Act ("CFP Act"), 12 U.S.C. 5481(6), 5515 and 5563(b).
The FDIC and CFPB have previously held that Discover has engaged in deceptive acts and practices in or affecting commerce, in violation ofsection 5 ofthe Federal Trade Commission Act ("Section 5"), 15 U.S.C. 45(a)(l), and in deceptive acts and practices in violation of sections 1031 and 1036 of the CFP Act(together"Section 1036"), 12 U.S.C. 5531,5536.
Furthermore I suspect Discover is currently violating various terms related to a previous enforcement action/consent order including but not limited to:
(a) operating in violation of Section 5 or of Section 1036;
(b) engaging in deceptive marketing and sales of the Products in violation of Section5 or of Section 1036;
(c) operating Discover with an inadequate compliance management system to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements ofpolicy;
(d) operating Discover without adequate oversight by the Board and supervision by senior management ofthe Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section l036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy; and 5
(e) operating Discover with an inadequate system o f internal controls and an inadequate internal audit system with regard to the Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy.
Per CPFB Discover shall not make, or allow to be made, any material misleading or deceptive representation, statement, or omission, expressly or by implication, in the marketing materials, telemarketing scripts and/or sales presentation used to solicit any Cardmember or prospective Cardmember, or in any similar communication in connection with any Product.
Discover shall not make or allow to be made, directly or indirectly, any misrepresentation or omission, expressly or by implication, about any material term of an offer related to any Product in connection with the advertising, marketing (including telemarketing and online marketing), offering, soliciting, eligibility, billing, servicing, or account maintenance with respect to a Product, including but not limited to misrepresentations or omissions as to the following:
(i) any and all fees, costs, expenses, and charges associated with the Products;
(ii) all material conditions, benefits, and restrictions related to the Products;
(iii) the purpose of sales calls and/or sales portions of servicing or other calls;
(iv) payment terms for a Product, including a description of when a
Cardmember will be charged for a Product or incur charges for a Product;
(v) refunds or adjustments for a Product fee and Discover policies for such
refunds and adjustments.
The foregoing information has been cited from the FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION / CONSUMER FINANCIAL PROTECTION BUREAU
JOINT CONSENT ORDER, ORDER FOR RESTITUTION, AND ORDER TO PAY CIVIL
MONEY PENALTY
Docket Numbers FDIC-ll-548b; FDIC-ll-55lk & 2012-CFPB-0005
http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/2...order_0005.pdf
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See below for a draft CFPB complaint. A "Plain English" variation may be better suited for you depending upon what you are comfortable with.
*****Warning: This information is not intended to constitute legal advice*****
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation ("FDIC") is the appropriate Federal banking agency with respect to Discover Bank, Greenwood, Delaware ("Discover"), under section 3(q) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act ("FDI Act"), 12 U.S.C. 1813(q). The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (''CFPB") has jurisdiction over Discover, pursuant to sections I002(6), l025 and 1053(b) of the Consumer Financial Protection Act ("CFP Act"), 12 U.S.C. 5481(6), 5515 and 5563(b).
Myself and numerous other similarly situated Discover consumers have not reasonably been able to obtain rewards, as marketed and represented by the entity. Discover has engaged in unfair practices by imposing "burdensome requirements" on consumers in connection with its suggestion that receipts need to be submitted in order to claim the rewards offered under the promotion. Curiously, the terms and conditions governing the Discover promotion in question have never outwardly stated that the consumer needed to keep receipts.
The terms of the promotion
This promotion is referenced on Discover's website: under the Apple Pay FAQ section of Discover's website. The relevant details are under the "Earn Rewards" section:
What are the details for the 10% Cashback Bonus® promotion? Cashback Bonus Earn an extra 10% Cashback Bonus on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through 12/31/15. Excludes gift card purchases. No sign up needed. Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Cashback Bonus account within 2 billing periods. See Cashback Bonus Program Terms and Conditions for more information. Miles version: Earn an extra 10 miles per dollar on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through 12/31/15. Excludes gift cards. No sign up needed. Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Miles account within 2 billing periods. See Miles Program Terms and Conditions for more information.
https://www.discover.com/credit-card...apple-pay.html - q21
https://www.discover.com/credit-card...-it-miles.html
THE PERVASIVE NATURE OF THE PROBLEM
The gift card exclusion was added several days after the promotion was launched
Discover is now blanket rejecting purchases above a certain amount
Discover is requiring customers to retain receipts
Discover does not have the requirement to keep receipts in the Terms and Conditions governing the promotion
This is a blatant attack on consumer privacy
The burden of proof is shifted to the consumer, instead of the credit card company
If Discover wants to exclude gift cards, they need to do it accurately and automatically, without the need of receipts being sent into Discover.
[email protected] sent e-mails to me which erroneously suggested that the following transactions on my account included a gift cards:
As described above Discover is blanket denying all large purchases under the false suggestion that they contain gift cards when in fact none of my purchases contained gift cards.
As a result I am still missing bonus mileage credit for the following purchases which are in fact eligible and qualify for the Discover & APPLE PAY 10% BONUS promotion:
Discovers actions are Unfair, Deceptive and Abusive under Section 1036
Section 1036 defines an "unfair" act or practice as follows:
The act or practice causes or is likely to cause substantial injury to consumers.
The injury is not reasonably avoidable by consumers.
The injury is not outweighed by countervailing benefits to consumers or to competition.
Section 1036 outlines deceptive. The Bureau's articulation of "deceptive" follows the FTC's; beginning with the inclusion not only of acts or practices but also representations and omissions. There is not just an obligation to avoid lying (which Discover is clearly doing in this situation), there is an affirmative obligation of full disclosure. By omitting the requirement for the consumer to save receipts in the terms and conditions and then seeking to condition the payment of rewards on submission of receipts is the definition of deception. Here is the most important advice on deception from the Bureau, which creates an affirmative obligation not to omit any information necessary for full customer evaluation of the product: omissions will be presumed to be material when the financial institution knew or should have known that the consumer needed the omitted information to evaluate the product or service.
Can Discover honestly say that it did not know in the situation outlined above that the consumer needed the omitted information to evaluate the product or service?
And finally, Abusive.
There are four separate ways in which an act or practice can be found to be abusive under Section 1031 of the Act:
Material interference with the consumer's ability to understand a term or condition.
Taking unreasonable advantage of:
The consumer's lack of understanding of material risks, costs or conditions.
The inability of the consumer to protect himself in selecting or using the product/service.
Key product terms or features are not readily available to consumers.
Discover never made known to consumers the full terms such as requiring receipts until after the offer had been accepted and the cardholder no longer was able to carefully consider the full extent of the exercise. This practice is Unfair, Deceptive and Abusive on its face.
I will add that the FDIC and CFPB have already previously held that Discover has engaged in deceptive acts and practices in or affecting commerce, in violation of section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act ("Section 5"), 15 U.S.C. 45(a)(l), and in deceptive acts and practices in violation of sections 1031 and 1036 of the CFP Act(together "Section 1036"), 12 U.S.C. 5531,5536.
Citing the above information described in this complaint it is readily apparent that Discover is currently violating numerous terms of the previous FDIC/CFPB enforcement action/consent order including but not limited to:
(a) operating in violation of Section 5 or of Section 1036;
(b) engaging in deceptive marketing and sales of the Products in violation of Section5 or of Section 1036;
(c) operating Discover with an inadequate compliance management system to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy;
(d) operating Discover without adequate oversight by the Board and supervision by senior management of the Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section l036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy; and 5
(e) operating Discover with an inadequate system o f internal controls and an inadequate internal audit system with regard to the Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy.
Per CPFB Discover shall not make, or allow to be made, any material misleading or deceptive representation, statement, or omission, expressly or by implication, in the marketing materials, telemarketing scripts and/or sales presentation used to solicit any Cardmember or prospective Cardmember, or in any similar communication in connection with any Product.
Discover shall not make or allow to be made, directly or indirectly, any misrepresentation or omission, expressly or by implication, about any material term of an offer related to any Product in connection with the advertising, marketing (including telemarketing and online marketing), offering, soliciting, eligibility, billing, servicing, or account maintenance with respect to a Product, including but not limited to misrepresentations or omissions as to the following:
(i) any and all fees, costs, expenses, and charges associated with the Products;
(ii) all material conditions, benefits, and restrictions related to the Products.
The foregoing information has been cited from enforcement action/consent order docket Numbers FDIC-ll-548b; FDIC-ll-55lk & 2012-CFPB-0005)
http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/2...order_0005.pdf
Taking the above into account my desired resolution is that if Discover wants to exclude gift card purchases, they need to be able to do it automatically and accurately. The burden of proof should not fall on the consumer and consumers should not need to keep receipts, as this was never outlined in the terms and conditions. In light of these unfair, deceptive and abusive actions against consumers, Discover should honor all Apple Pay purchases with the advertised bonus of 10% or 10X miles.
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11/23: Discover gave 10% cash back without receipts if you bought gift cards PRIOR to September 18, 2015. Purchases from Sept 18th onward may get flagged by Discover (parameters unknown) for which receipts are requested.
9/18: the terms are now shown in the wallet app, and exclude gift cards. Discover's Apple Pay FAQ has been updated to reflect these new terms. It's unknown if this will be enforced or not.
There are two references to this promotion on Discover's website:
If you feel you have been unfairly treated legal action may be necessary:
Discover Financial Service's CEO is David W. Nelms. He is also Chairman of the Board of Directors.
Other notable executives are:
Kelly McNamara Corley - General Counsel and Secretary
James V. Panzarino - President: Credit and Card Operations
The physical address of the corporate headquarters is:
DISCOVER FINANCIAL SERVICES
2500 LAKE COOK ROAD
RIVERWOODS, IL, UNITED STATES 60015
from National Information Center.
According to the Illinois Attorney General you can sue, without an attorney, up to $10,000. Riverwoods is in Lake County. Lake County Small Claims page.
Not advising anyone on how to proceed, as I'm not a lawyer, but this is what has worked for me in the past.
- Attempt informal resolution (aka Letter of Demand). Most small claims courts require this but apparently Lake County does not. Make sure you outline your complaint clearly and what you expect in return. Do not be ambiguous. Send carbon copies to executives of interest. Emails will always be ignored. You need to mail physical copies Certified with Return Receipt Requested.
- Start the small claims process. Have the executives served BY THE SHERIFF. Extremely embarrassing for the folks being served. How many times will they tolerate that?
Here's Lake County's procedure for summons:
B. Arrange to notify the defendant of the suit. This can be done in one of three ways:
1. If the defendant has a mailing address within the state of Illinois, you may choose to give notice by serving summons by certified mail, return receipt requested. You should fill out and sign the AFFIDAVIT FOR SERVICE BY CERTIFIED MAIL found on the reverse side of the Small Claim Summons. Only the clerk, not you, may mail the summons. This method is less expensive than the second. However, if the letter carrier is unable to obtain the necessary signature on the postal receipt (green card), you will have to ask the clerk to issue a second (alias) summons.
2. If you choose to have the Sheriff serve the summons, place the summons (one original, two copies, each having attached a copy of the complaint) with the Sheriff for hand delivery to the defendant. If the defendant is to be served in Lake County, deliver the summons to the Civil Process Division of the Lake County Sheriffs Office. If the defendant is to be served somewhere outside Lake county, you must arrange to deliver the summons to the Sheriff of the appropriate county and state.
3. Place the summons and copies mentioned in paragraph 2 with a licensed/registered private detective for hand delivery to the defendant.
1. If the defendant has a mailing address within the state of Illinois, you may choose to give notice by serving summons by certified mail, return receipt requested. You should fill out and sign the AFFIDAVIT FOR SERVICE BY CERTIFIED MAIL found on the reverse side of the Small Claim Summons. Only the clerk, not you, may mail the summons. This method is less expensive than the second. However, if the letter carrier is unable to obtain the necessary signature on the postal receipt (green card), you will have to ask the clerk to issue a second (alias) summons.
2. If you choose to have the Sheriff serve the summons, place the summons (one original, two copies, each having attached a copy of the complaint) with the Sheriff for hand delivery to the defendant. If the defendant is to be served in Lake County, deliver the summons to the Civil Process Division of the Lake County Sheriffs Office. If the defendant is to be served somewhere outside Lake county, you must arrange to deliver the summons to the Sheriff of the appropriate county and state.
3. Place the summons and copies mentioned in paragraph 2 with a licensed/registered private detective for hand delivery to the defendant.
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*****Warning: This information is not intended to constitute legal advice*****
While I disagree w/ your assertion that Discover has no evidence for court...they can subpoena legitimate business records. I do agree with the CFPB complaint avenue. In fact The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation ("FDIC") is the appropriate Federal banking agency with respect to Discover Bank, Greenwood, Delaware ("Discover"), under section 3(q) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act ("FDI Act"), 12 U.S.C. 1813(q). The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (''CFPB") has jurisdiction over Discover, pursuant to sections I002(6), l025 and 1053(b) ofthe Consumer Financial Protection Act ("CFP Act"), 12 U.S.C. 5481(6), 5515 and 5563(b).
The FDIC and CFPB have previously held that Discover has engaged in deceptive acts and practices in or affecting commerce, in violation ofsection 5 ofthe Federal Trade Commission Act ("Section 5"), 15 U.S.C. 45(a)(l), and in deceptive acts and practices in violation of sections 1031 and 1036 of the CFP Act(together"Section 1036"), 12 U.S.C. 5531,5536.
Furthermore I suspect Discover is currently violating various terms related to a previous enforcement action/consent order including but not limited to:
(a) operating in violation of Section 5 or of Section 1036;
(b) engaging in deceptive marketing and sales of the Products in violation of Section5 or of Section 1036;
(c) operating Discover with an inadequate compliance management system to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements ofpolicy;
(d) operating Discover without adequate oversight by the Board and supervision by senior management ofthe Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section l036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy; and 5
(e) operating Discover with an inadequate system o f internal controls and an inadequate internal audit system with regard to the Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy.
Per CPFB Discover shall not make, or allow to be made, any material misleading or deceptive representation, statement, or omission, expressly or by implication, in the marketing materials, telemarketing scripts and/or sales presentation used to solicit any Cardmember or prospective Cardmember, or in any similar communication in connection with any Product.
Discover shall not make or allow to be made, directly or indirectly, any misrepresentation or omission, expressly or by implication, about any material term of an offer related to any Product in connection with the advertising, marketing (including telemarketing and online marketing), offering, soliciting, eligibility, billing, servicing, or account maintenance with respect to a Product, including but not limited to misrepresentations or omissions as to the following:
(i) any and all fees, costs, expenses, and charges associated with the Products;
(ii) all material conditions, benefits, and restrictions related to the Products;
(iii) the purpose of sales calls and/or sales portions of servicing or other calls;
(iv) payment terms for a Product, including a description of when a
Cardmember will be charged for a Product or incur charges for a Product;
(v) refunds or adjustments for a Product fee and Discover policies for such
refunds and adjustments.
The foregoing information has been cited from the FEDERAL DEPOSIT INSURANCE CORPORATION / CONSUMER FINANCIAL PROTECTION BUREAU
JOINT CONSENT ORDER, ORDER FOR RESTITUTION, AND ORDER TO PAY CIVIL
MONEY PENALTY
Docket Numbers FDIC-ll-548b; FDIC-ll-55lk & 2012-CFPB-0005
http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/2...order_0005.pdf
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See below for a draft CFPB complaint. A "Plain English" variation may be better suited for you depending upon what you are comfortable with.
*****Warning: This information is not intended to constitute legal advice*****
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation ("FDIC") is the appropriate Federal banking agency with respect to Discover Bank, Greenwood, Delaware ("Discover"), under section 3(q) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act ("FDI Act"), 12 U.S.C. 1813(q). The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (''CFPB") has jurisdiction over Discover, pursuant to sections I002(6), l025 and 1053(b) of the Consumer Financial Protection Act ("CFP Act"), 12 U.S.C. 5481(6), 5515 and 5563(b).
Myself and numerous other similarly situated Discover consumers have not reasonably been able to obtain rewards, as marketed and represented by the entity. Discover has engaged in unfair practices by imposing "burdensome requirements" on consumers in connection with its suggestion that receipts need to be submitted in order to claim the rewards offered under the promotion. Curiously, the terms and conditions governing the Discover promotion in question have never outwardly stated that the consumer needed to keep receipts.
The terms of the promotion
This promotion is referenced on Discover's website: under the Apple Pay FAQ section of Discover's website. The relevant details are under the "Earn Rewards" section:
What are the details for the 10% Cashback Bonus® promotion? Cashback Bonus Earn an extra 10% Cashback Bonus on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through 12/31/15. Excludes gift card purchases. No sign up needed. Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Cashback Bonus account within 2 billing periods. See Cashback Bonus Program Terms and Conditions for more information. Miles version: Earn an extra 10 miles per dollar on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through 12/31/15. Excludes gift cards. No sign up needed. Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Miles account within 2 billing periods. See Miles Program Terms and Conditions for more information.
https://www.discover.com/credit-card...apple-pay.html - q21
https://www.discover.com/credit-card...-it-miles.html
THE PERVASIVE NATURE OF THE PROBLEM
The gift card exclusion was added several days after the promotion was launched
Discover is now blanket rejecting purchases above a certain amount
Discover is requiring customers to retain receipts
Discover does not have the requirement to keep receipts in the Terms and Conditions governing the promotion
This is a blatant attack on consumer privacy
The burden of proof is shifted to the consumer, instead of the credit card company
If Discover wants to exclude gift cards, they need to do it accurately and automatically, without the need of receipts being sent into Discover.
[email protected] sent e-mails to me which erroneously suggested that the following transactions on my account included a gift cards:
As described above Discover is blanket denying all large purchases under the false suggestion that they contain gift cards when in fact none of my purchases contained gift cards.
As a result I am still missing bonus mileage credit for the following purchases which are in fact eligible and qualify for the Discover & APPLE PAY 10% BONUS promotion:
Discovers actions are Unfair, Deceptive and Abusive under Section 1036
Section 1036 defines an "unfair" act or practice as follows:
The act or practice causes or is likely to cause substantial injury to consumers.
The injury is not reasonably avoidable by consumers.
The injury is not outweighed by countervailing benefits to consumers or to competition.
Section 1036 outlines deceptive. The Bureau's articulation of "deceptive" follows the FTC's; beginning with the inclusion not only of acts or practices but also representations and omissions. There is not just an obligation to avoid lying (which Discover is clearly doing in this situation), there is an affirmative obligation of full disclosure. By omitting the requirement for the consumer to save receipts in the terms and conditions and then seeking to condition the payment of rewards on submission of receipts is the definition of deception. Here is the most important advice on deception from the Bureau, which creates an affirmative obligation not to omit any information necessary for full customer evaluation of the product: omissions will be presumed to be material when the financial institution knew or should have known that the consumer needed the omitted information to evaluate the product or service.
Can Discover honestly say that it did not know in the situation outlined above that the consumer needed the omitted information to evaluate the product or service?
And finally, Abusive.
There are four separate ways in which an act or practice can be found to be abusive under Section 1031 of the Act:
Material interference with the consumer's ability to understand a term or condition.
Taking unreasonable advantage of:
The consumer's lack of understanding of material risks, costs or conditions.
The inability of the consumer to protect himself in selecting or using the product/service.
Key product terms or features are not readily available to consumers.
Discover never made known to consumers the full terms such as requiring receipts until after the offer had been accepted and the cardholder no longer was able to carefully consider the full extent of the exercise. This practice is Unfair, Deceptive and Abusive on its face.
I will add that the FDIC and CFPB have already previously held that Discover has engaged in deceptive acts and practices in or affecting commerce, in violation of section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act ("Section 5"), 15 U.S.C. 45(a)(l), and in deceptive acts and practices in violation of sections 1031 and 1036 of the CFP Act(together "Section 1036"), 12 U.S.C. 5531,5536.
Citing the above information described in this complaint it is readily apparent that Discover is currently violating numerous terms of the previous FDIC/CFPB enforcement action/consent order including but not limited to:
(a) operating in violation of Section 5 or of Section 1036;
(b) engaging in deceptive marketing and sales of the Products in violation of Section5 or of Section 1036;
(c) operating Discover with an inadequate compliance management system to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy;
(d) operating Discover without adequate oversight by the Board and supervision by senior management of the Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section l036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy; and 5
(e) operating Discover with an inadequate system o f internal controls and an inadequate internal audit system with regard to the Products to ensure compliance with Section 5 and with Section 1036 and all implementing rules and regulations, regulatory guidance, and statements of policy.
Per CPFB Discover shall not make, or allow to be made, any material misleading or deceptive representation, statement, or omission, expressly or by implication, in the marketing materials, telemarketing scripts and/or sales presentation used to solicit any Cardmember or prospective Cardmember, or in any similar communication in connection with any Product.
Discover shall not make or allow to be made, directly or indirectly, any misrepresentation or omission, expressly or by implication, about any material term of an offer related to any Product in connection with the advertising, marketing (including telemarketing and online marketing), offering, soliciting, eligibility, billing, servicing, or account maintenance with respect to a Product, including but not limited to misrepresentations or omissions as to the following:
(i) any and all fees, costs, expenses, and charges associated with the Products;
(ii) all material conditions, benefits, and restrictions related to the Products.
The foregoing information has been cited from enforcement action/consent order docket Numbers FDIC-ll-548b; FDIC-ll-55lk & 2012-CFPB-0005)
http://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/2...order_0005.pdf
Taking the above into account my desired resolution is that if Discover wants to exclude gift card purchases, they need to be able to do it automatically and accurately. The burden of proof should not fall on the consumer and consumers should not need to keep receipts, as this was never outlined in the terms and conditions. In light of these unfair, deceptive and abusive actions against consumers, Discover should honor all Apple Pay purchases with the advertised bonus of 10% or 10X miles.
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11/23: Discover gave 10% cash back without receipts if you bought gift cards PRIOR to September 18, 2015. Purchases from Sept 18th onward may get flagged by Discover (parameters unknown) for which receipts are requested.
9/18: the terms are now shown in the wallet app, and exclude gift cards. Discover's Apple Pay FAQ has been updated to reflect these new terms. It's unknown if this will be enforced or not.
There are two references to this promotion on Discover's website:
- The Apple Pay FAQ on Discover's website. The relevant details are under the "Earn Rewards" section.The previous terms are below. Once again, the following terms are NOT the terms that are currently in effect. (If you made any transactions under the old terms that may be excluded by the new terms, I hope you saved copies of the old terms!)What are the details for the 10% Cashback Bonus promotion?
Cashback Bonus
Earn an extra 10% Cashback Bonus on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through 12/31/15. Excludes gift card purchases. No sign up needed.
Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Cashback Bonus account within 2 billing periods. See Cashback Bonus Program Terms and Conditions for more information.
Miles version:
Earn an extra 10 miles per dollar on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through 12/31/15. Excludes gift cards. No sign up needed.
Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Miles account within 2 billing periods. See Miles Program Terms and Conditions for more information.What are the details for the 10% Cashback Bonus promotion?
Cashback Bonus:
Earn an extra 10% Cashback Bonus on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through December 31, 2015. Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Cashback Bonus account within 2 billing periods. See Cashback Bonus Program Terms and Conditions for more information.
Miles:
Earn an extra 10 miles per dollar on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases when you use your Discover card with Apple Pay now through December 31, 2015 now through 12/31/15. Rewards earned are in addition to your standard rewards and are added to your Miles account within 2 billing periods. See Miles Program Terms and Conditions for more information. The press release on Discover's website. This is the same press release that was distributed on Business Wire's website.(Warning: The terms described in this press release are not consistent with the current terms, which exclude gift cards. This is a press release, not a living document, so an update is unexpected/unlikely.)From September 16, to the end of the year, cardmembers who pay with their Discover card using Apple Pay will automatically earn an extra 10% Cashback Bonus on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases. Discover it Miles, Miles and Escape cardmembers will earn an extra 10 miles per dollar on up to $10,000 of in-store purchases.
- I can't add my discover card.
you need to upgrade to iOS9 to add the Discover card.
- Can I have more than 2 Discover cards?
It is not possible, as you can only have two Discover Credit products at any one time, and you can only open your second one after having the first for at least 12 months.
- If I add my SO as an AU will both of our cards get the 10 bonus or is it 1 per account?
1 per account
- How do I get Apple Pay?
You will need either an iPhone 6 or an Apple Watch linked to an iPhone 5 or iPhone 6
- Which stores accept Apple Pay?
see: http://www.apple.com/apple-pay/where-to-use-apple-pay/
- Which cards are eligible for the Apple Pay 10% Cashback Bonus promotion?
The following Discover cards are eligible for the promotion:
Discover it
Discover it Chrome
Discover More
Discover Open Road
Discover Motiva℠ - How do I report Apple Pay Discover transaction issues at merchants?
see: http://www.apple.com/feedback/apple-pay.html
- Are Apple pay purchases made through store apps on the iphone eligible for this promo?
No, purchases must be made in store.
- How do I determine how much Cashback is from the Apple Pay promo?
Log into full discover website (desktop version). Navigate to recent transactions. From this view select the statement period. Once you have the statement transactions up you should see a detailed break out of the Cashback by 5%, discover deals, AP， etc... You will have to view each statement to get total AP. You can download transactions to excel to try and figure out which match up to AP payout.
Discover 10% Cashback Bonus in-store through 2015 when using Apple Pay, up to $10k
Dec 5, 2015, 10:29 am
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 250
Has anyone NOT received a "courtesy" one-time email? My account did receive it, for a $2K WG purchase on 9/22, but my SO's did not.
The $2K WAS included in the cashback payout for my statement ending 11/27 - again, my SO's did not, even though she purchased MORE gift cards than me, as early as 9/19. Is this something I can / should call about?
The $2K WAS included in the cashback payout for my statement ending 11/27 - again, my SO's did not, even though she purchased MORE gift cards than me, as early as 9/19. Is this something I can / should call about?
Dec 5, 2015, 10:33 am
#2372
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: NJ, USA
Posts: 470
Anybody tried paying T-Mobile?
A Chandler, AZ store tells me their store takes AP. They also take Discover credit card swipes. However, using AP with Discover card results in "card not accepted".
I saw a couple months back this issue not resolved by T-Mobile support:
https://support.t-mobile.com/thread/116672?tstart=0
A Chandler, AZ store tells me their store takes AP. They also take Discover credit card swipes. However, using AP with Discover card results in "card not accepted".
I saw a couple months back this issue not resolved by T-Mobile support:
https://support.t-mobile.com/thread/116672?tstart=0
Dec 5, 2015, 1:29 pm
#2373
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 26
Pretty easy?
How do you know which day they are paying through? All I have is an amount of AP bonus - $180. So that should be based on $1800 in spending...but when I start adding up my transactions from the beginning, I don't get that amount. I had one transaction where I returned it later - do I count that? Do I count the transaction they are allowing "one time"? Do I assume everything I didn't get an email on is ok?
Where is the list showing exactly what they are paying on, or where do you find out what the cutoff date is?
This is anything but "pretty easy" - its almost impossible for me to track.
How do you know which day they are paying through? All I have is an amount of AP bonus - $180. So that should be based on $1800 in spending...but when I start adding up my transactions from the beginning, I don't get that amount. I had one transaction where I returned it later - do I count that? Do I count the transaction they are allowing "one time"? Do I assume everything I didn't get an email on is ok?
Where is the list showing exactly what they are paying on, or where do you find out what the cutoff date is?
This is anything but "pretty easy" - its almost impossible for me to track.
It was immediately obvious that the running total as of Oct 2 exactly matched the Apple Pay bonus on my Nov 26 statement. So I can see that they are crediting the bonuses chronologically and that they are honoring the "one time courtesy." I can also see that they are 7-8 weeks behind in processing the Apple Pay bonus.
Yes, it is annoying that you have to make a spreadsheet to track information that better credit card companies provide online. However, it is not difficult.
Dec 6, 2015, 1:53 pm
#2374
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 8
Discover requesting receipts using chargeback
Received standard replies from promoverification about requesting receipts on my behalf. Secure messaged Discover afterwards about them violating the 2 billing period for issuing cashback, manager replied that they will request receipts on my behalf. Told her to do so, next day all Apple Pay transactions showed as disputed on online Discover. Immediately messaged Discover to pull back disputes, that charges are valid. Still waiting for reply, outraged.
Im inferring that promodiscover is probably using same method for gathering receipts, that is initiating disputes with merchants and forcing them to reply with receipts to prove charges are valid as part of the dispute process.
Im inferring that promodiscover is probably using same method for gathering receipts, that is initiating disputes with merchants and forcing them to reply with receipts to prove charges are valid as part of the dispute process.
Dec 6, 2015, 2:04 pm
#2375
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 46
FWIW, on 11/24 I got my first Discover Statement that gave me Apple Pay credit. It paid me for all my September Apple Pay Transactions. The Discover rep was able to confirm this -- that none of my October transactions registered. I expect that on 12/24 my October Apple Pay will post and on 1/24 I expect that my November transactions will post.
I did not buy any gift cards... and also received no complaints from discover for large transactions.
i've already gone through the full 10K, but my wife has not as of yet.
I did not buy any gift cards... and also received no complaints from discover for large transactions.
i've already gone through the full 10K, but my wife has not as of yet.
Dec 6, 2015, 2:11 pm
#2377
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: San Diego, CA
Programs: GE, Marriott Platinum
Posts: 15,517
Dec 6, 2015, 2:54 pm
#2378
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 100
Okay so my barber shop takes apple pay now i used it there. Also this little Mom and pop store now takes it. If i go into this Mom and pop store and spend like 200$ if discover were to submit for the receipt i would laugh hard. They are not a chain store #1 so it would have to be sent to that store. #2 they speak little to no English so if they were to get a letter they most likely would trash it.
So then what is discover going to do? I think for spite i will shop there till the end of the month and see if they flag any of them and tell them find the receipts go for it BUT if you can't get them then pay me.
So if you want advice till the end of the month go into little non chain stores and use it there then defy them to find the receipt.
Just in case i have kept my receipts to a few small stores but if you look at it i bet everything they have flagged is chain type stores that have a main office like BB WG RA WD etc. But i bet no small mom and pop stores have been flagged.
So then what is discover going to do? I think for spite i will shop there till the end of the month and see if they flag any of them and tell them find the receipts go for it BUT if you can't get them then pay me.
So if you want advice till the end of the month go into little non chain stores and use it there then defy them to find the receipt.
Just in case i have kept my receipts to a few small stores but if you look at it i bet everything they have flagged is chain type stores that have a main office like BB WG RA WD etc. But i bet no small mom and pop stores have been flagged.
Dec 6, 2015, 3:10 pm
#2379
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: AZ
Posts: 250
Received standard replies from promoverification about requesting receipts on my behalf. Secure messaged Discover afterwards about them violating the 2 billing period for issuing cashback, manager replied that they will request receipts on my behalf. Told her to do so, next day all Apple Pay transactions showed as disputed on online Discover. Immediately messaged Discover to pull back disputes, that charges are valid. Still waiting for reply, outraged.
Im inferring that promodiscover is probably using same method for gathering receipts, that is initiating disputes with merchants and forcing them to reply with receipts to prove charges are valid as part of the dispute process.
Im inferring that promodiscover is probably using same method for gathering receipts, that is initiating disputes with merchants and forcing them to reply with receipts to prove charges are valid as part of the dispute process.
I wouldn't give them permission to request receipts on your behalf. Why should you, when you're not required to?
I'm sure merchants like Walgreens aren't very happy about receiving probably thousands of these requests for no good reason. Discover's ill-fated promotion is of no concern to merchants. However, the labor and PR risk involved in fulfilling these requests would be of concern to them. If I was responsible for handling these matters for a merchant, I'd make it clear to Discover that no information requests will be fulfilled unless there is an actual underlying dispute (meaning the cardholder has denied authorizing the charge or has raised some other issue with it). "We want you to do all the work and take all the risk for us because we screwed up a promotion" shouldn't be a good enough reason for a merchant to disclose this information. (Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if Discover is fraudulently representing to merchants that there is such a dispute.)
Dec 6, 2015, 3:43 pm
#2380
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 8
Yes, they are likely sending out "inquiry ticket retrieval requests," see https://servicecenter.discovernetwor...sampleRep.html. An example of this type of request is at https://servicecenter.discovernetwor..._Retrieval.pdf.
I wouldn't give them permission to request receipts on your behalf. Why should you, when you're not required to?
I'm sure merchants like Walgreens aren't very happy about receiving probably thousands of these requests for no good reason. Discover's ill-fated promotion is of no concern to merchants. However, the labor and PR risk involved in fulfilling these requests would be of concern to them. If I was responsible for handling these matters for a merchant, I'd make it clear to Discover that no information requests will be fulfilled unless there is an actual underlying dispute (meaning the cardholder has denied authorizing the charge or has raised some other issue with it). "We want you to do all the work and take all the risk for us because we screwed up a promotion" shouldn't be a good enough reason for a merchant to disclose this information. (Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if Discover is fraudulently representing to merchants that there is such a dispute.)
I wouldn't give them permission to request receipts on your behalf. Why should you, when you're not required to?
I'm sure merchants like Walgreens aren't very happy about receiving probably thousands of these requests for no good reason. Discover's ill-fated promotion is of no concern to merchants. However, the labor and PR risk involved in fulfilling these requests would be of concern to them. If I was responsible for handling these matters for a merchant, I'd make it clear to Discover that no information requests will be fulfilled unless there is an actual underlying dispute (meaning the cardholder has denied authorizing the charge or has raised some other issue with it). "We want you to do all the work and take all the risk for us because we screwed up a promotion" shouldn't be a good enough reason for a merchant to disclose this information. (Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if Discover is fraudulently representing to merchants that there is such a dispute.)
I guess best course of action now is CFPB and then small claims court based on argument that terms and conditions of Discover do not list requirement to keep receipts and Discover violates the contract promise of cashback within 2 billing periods.
Dec 6, 2015, 8:36 pm
#2385
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Denver
Posts: 111
If Discover really is telling merchants that customers are disputing transactions to get receipts for the promo, then I hope that lots of customers tell Discover to get their receipts from the merchant.
At some point, the merchants are going to get tired of the extra work and expense of defending disputes and take action against Discover themselves. They would have a solid claim of fraud if Discover is misrepresenting the nature of the receipt requests. They could pursue legal action to recover their costs, or just decide to drop Discover as a payment option at their stores.
Or they will notice how a large % of Discover ApplePay purchases are being disputed, and get rid of ApplePay entirely, or just disable Discover Card on ApplePay.
Discover already has the reputation of not being universally accepted, how much worse will it get if all pharmacies, office stores, and groceries drop them as well?
At some point, the merchants are going to get tired of the extra work and expense of defending disputes and take action against Discover themselves. They would have a solid claim of fraud if Discover is misrepresenting the nature of the receipt requests. They could pursue legal action to recover their costs, or just decide to drop Discover as a payment option at their stores.
Or they will notice how a large % of Discover ApplePay purchases are being disputed, and get rid of ApplePay entirely, or just disable Discover Card on ApplePay.
Discover already has the reputation of not being universally accepted, how much worse will it get if all pharmacies, office stores, and groceries drop them as well?