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illinidad Mar 4, 2015 5:33 pm


Originally Posted by twelvetosix (Post 24455840)
Lol I nearly had a heart attack when I saw "Prepaid Redcard" on a tab in Gmail... was the same e-mail you received :D

Ditto

nwflyboy Mar 4, 2015 5:35 pm


Originally Posted by NoonRadar (Post 24455080)
Basically, use common sense and have at least minimal impulse control.

I can see you must be new here. Such words are lost on this crowd. Everyone has a constitutional right to a free trip to Bora Bora with Emily. Now get outta my way!

Lumpylump76 Mar 4, 2015 5:37 pm


Originally Posted by nwflyboy (Post 24455892)
I can see you must be new here. Such words are lost on this crowd. Everyone has a constitutional right to a free trip to Bora Bora with Emily. Now get outta my way!

Does MMS know about you and Emily?

TMM1982 Mar 4, 2015 5:37 pm


Originally Posted by nwflyboy (Post 24455892)
I can see you must be new here. Such words are lost on this crowd. Everyone has a constitutional right to a free trip to Bora Bora with Emily. Now get outta my way!

Who's Emily? Is she hot?

indelible Mar 4, 2015 5:41 pm


Originally Posted by TMM1982 (Post 24455894)
Who's Emily? Is she hot?

no, she isnt

MileageGoblin Mar 4, 2015 5:41 pm

Why isn't anyone pointing out that the two flags when looked at together is what Target (if this is real) finds suspicious? :confused: Perhaps Target thinks there is ML activity and not necessarily MS activity.

We can't know for certain how the OP is draining. I'd bet the farm over 80% of loads are round numbers which by themselves mean nothing. Its the loads followed by quick drain to possibly a suspicious person/business that could be the issue.

sincera4565 Mar 4, 2015 5:43 pm

Looking at people's email, it said one of the problems is actually withdrawing and/or bill pays equal to the account balance immediately following "Cash" Reloads. So I guess it will be safer to have a little money in the account?

Since my first load is 100bucks and I always keep buying some small items when charging, my redcard has around 80bucks flowing in it.

Just by looking at the email, it seems like having some money left in the account will help? maybe?

Domat Mar 4, 2015 5:52 pm


Originally Posted by LWT3 (Post 24454949)
When Amazon Payments was alive, some folks did A to B and B to A, some did A to B to C to A, some logged in through different ip addresses, some did $1K in and $1K out, some used odd numbers . . . . While some people got shut down early, the whole thing died because too many people were using it to MS, and it cost Amazon too much money. Redbird is going to be the same way. It certainly makes sense to try to avoid the biggest of the red flags, but I wouldn't count on this lasting much longer no matter how you use it.

IMHO amazon died because amazon payment swipes came live. I do not think it was a coincidence that one happened soon after there swiper came online.

MS had little to do with it.

deant Mar 4, 2015 5:52 pm

Just got home from work and saw this thread and then went to check my email. I received the exact same email as the OP so IT IS REAL. Know one other person that has gotten shut down by RedBird. Have been doing $5K per month for the last few months without issue.

Hope no one else gets the "death of RedBird" email........but for some reason I think many will be coming in the next few days / weeks.

WhoGoesThere Mar 4, 2015 5:52 pm

I just got two shutdown emails. Fml. Tread carefully, folks. Fingers crossed here I can still get Serve.

MileageGoblin Mar 4, 2015 5:57 pm


Originally Posted by deant (Post 24455956)
I received the exact same email as the OP so IT IS REAL. Know one other person that has gotten shut down by RedBird. Have been doing $5K per month for the last few months without issue.


Originally Posted by WhoGoesThere (Post 24455957)
I just got two shutdown emails. Fml. Tread carefully, folks. Fingers crossed here I can still get Serve.

Can you guys/gals do us all a big favor and give a little more detail please (for the benefit of forum)?
  • How many months of MS on RC.
  • How quickly you were liquidating after loading.
  • How you were liquidating.

daremrc Mar 4, 2015 5:58 pm


Originally Posted by Lumpylump76 (Post 24455732)
If you all believe AmEx would put their discovery mechanism in the email, you would be mistaken.

Their internal system picked up on some behavior based on some undisclosed rules, and put the account into a queue. A human takes a look, decide that the computer was right, and then grabbed the boilerplate template with 2-4 pre-approved reasons, and picked whatever was closest to what the analyst decided to be the abusive behavior.

Over time, they can improve those rules based on new understanding, but still use the same bad template language. They can even run the rules on past transaction history at any time.

So to the folks that says "it hasn't happened to me yet!" Computers are like elephants.


It's exactly this. To get all semantic on the email (that may or may not be real), and then infer exact actions to keep your account alive based on it is ridiculous.

I have spent my entire adult working career at Large Fortune 500 companies, and then huge Fortune 50 companies. Large corporations are inherently dumb, clumsy animals with a large number of arms operating rather independently, without any clue as to what the others are doing. If this email is even real, if this shutdown is happening, it could be for any number of dumb-luck or arbitrary reasons that will never be revealed to anyone. The reason given means almost nothing.


When the boss wants to fire some guy because he doesn't like the way he looks, he finds some other infraction or technicality to base it on. I would suspect, if there is a shutdown going on, precisely the same concepts would apply - blundering dumb luck, arbitrary selection, an BS explanations. At the end of the day they will do whatever they want to, up to and including wadding up the whole redbird prepaid card and discontinuing it on little notice. That said, the data trail is there and theres no stopping anyone with the IT budget from going back and analyzing mountains and mountains of back data if thats what they want to do.

fletchbo Mar 4, 2015 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by WhoGoesThere (Post 24455957)
I just got two shutdown emails. Fml. Tread carefully, folks. Fingers crossed here I can still get Serve.

Yes, please report back to the thread that you can get a Serve or Bluebird card AFTER RedCard is shutdown!

Thanks!

ericdabbs Mar 4, 2015 6:04 pm


Originally Posted by WhoGoesThere (Post 24455957)
I just got two shutdown emails. Fml. Tread carefully, folks. Fingers crossed here I can still get Serve.

That is what I am going to be curious about is whether you can still get a BB or Serve card. Please report back if you get success.

mbfanos Mar 4, 2015 6:05 pm


Originally Posted by TMM1982 (Post 24455804)
After thinking about this, it's pretty horrific that they immediately closed the accounts in question and that they're going to mail a check within 60-90 days.

1) Being told to wait 60-90 days for one's money is worse than most bookies. I'm guessing the CFPB would be interested in that.

2) What they should have done was disabled the RB but allowed account holders to billpay their money out. I really don't see what the issue with that is.

Clearly MS is not for you, dude.
It seems like you can't "float" the money for a few months without being :mad:


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