Originally Posted by hamhead
(Post 23252912)
Seriously?
Is it that hard to be a little bit more discrete about what you're doing? |
As Falstaff said, The better part of valour is discretion; in the which better part I have saved my life.
Originally Posted by AndrewTheMan
(Post 23252953)
Why?
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Originally Posted by AndrewTheMan
(Post 23252953)
Why?
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Originally Posted by AndrewTheMan
(Post 23252603)
Today I did 3k. Each $499.11 MO split into six transactions.
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Originally Posted by AndrewTheMan
(Post 23252953)
Why?
You've red flagged yourself into getting SAR filed on you / straight up banned from the store and doing so in front of store management is a great way to drive management to decide risk > reward and stop accepting debit for money orders all together to ensure compliance with money laundering and other laws. I push more MO than most people on this forum - $60k+ a month - but I do so at more than 15 local stores across multiple grocery chains and never more than $1k at a time. If they ask what it is for or make small talk, I'm paying rent or student loans. It would be more time efficient for me to push more at more convenient stores and higher dollar volume - but I spread it around to not draw attention to myself and to ensure that the methods involved continue to be available, both for me and other people. |
Originally Posted by Lappie
(Post 23254856)
Others mention Structuring here, but they may not know that Publix limits MO to $500 / ea. Thats why he/she did it this way. The MO costs .89 which is why the amount is $499.11 ($500 + .89).
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Originally Posted by hamhead
(Post 23254878)
Right off the bat you're drawing attention to yourself dropping $3k on money orders in one visit when frankly the most common users of money orders don't earn $3k in 3 months and most transactions are less than $100. Opening GC packaging in line just makes it even more obvious that you are not an intended or target customer.
You've red flagged yourself into getting SAR filed on you / straight up banned from the store and doing so in front of store management is a great way to drive management to decide risk > reward and stop accepting debit for money orders all together to ensure compliance with money laundering and other laws. I push more MO than most people on this forum - $60k+ a month - but I do so at more than 15 local stores across multiple grocery chains and never more than $1k at a time. If they ask what it is for or make small talk, I'm paying rent or student loans. It would be more time efficient for me to push more at more convenient stores and higher dollar volume - but I spread it around to not draw attention to myself and to ensure that the methods involved continue to be available, both for me and other people. Regarding banks: What's a "safe" amount to deposit via the app into each account monthy assuming I mix up the MOs to not be sequential, etc? |
Originally Posted by vagrants
(Post 23254907)
So? That doesn't really matter from "their" point of view. And, "their" point of view is all that matters.
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Originally Posted by AndrewTheMan
(Post 23254950)
Well the fact that the DM just smiled and make the remark is somewhat comforting..
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Originally Posted by hamhead
(Post 23254878)
I push more MO than most people on this forum - $60k+ a month - but I do so at more than 15 local stores across multiple grocery chains and never more than $1k at a time. If they ask what it is for or make small talk, I'm paying rent or student loans.
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Originally Posted by hamhead
(Post 23254878)
I push more MO than most people on this forum - $60k+ a month - but I do so at more than 15 local stores across multiple grocery chains and never more than $1k at a time.
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I would love to know if anyone here has ever been prosecuted or even accused of structuring. In addition, does anyone even know anyone that has been.
Back in the US Mint days, cash was used and people operated much like they do with MO and there were no issues at all. By the way, I use Publix all the time for MO and the Customer Service Desk people know me. When I walk in they ask how many, they know what the amount is for. The most I do is $2500 usually in one stop. If I have more, Ill hit another Publix or Winn Dixie for the MO. Not to avoid Structuring but to avoid Manager Overrides and inconvenience. I only use one bank account, the same one I used since the Mint days. |
Originally Posted by AndrewTheMan
(Post 23254944)
Do you know if Winn dixie sells MO with debit?
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Originally Posted by busymike
(Post 23254988)
you, sir, are admitting to structuring on a public forum. I hope that doesn't come back to bite you.
There is no consensus as to whether the structuring rules are applicable to either the deposits of money orders or the purchase of money orders with prepaid cards / debit cards. Several posters have done some research indicating that these rules are not applicable to the deposits of money orders, and the preamble to much of the written guidance from Treasury notes the difficulty of applying these laws to prepaid and debit cards, since those instruments were largely nonexistent when the rules were enacted. Plus structuring is arranging one's transactions to avoid having the other party prepare certain paperwork. There are a number of legitimate reasons that many posters on this board purchase and deposit in relatively smaller quantities. Two obvious ones are the safety of not carrying large amounts of cards / money orders at one time, and the fact that many debit cards have low daily minimums. In the dollar coin thread, the mods prohibited any poster from accusing another poster of committing a crime. That was a good rule. |
Originally Posted by Lappie
(Post 23255052)
I would love to know if anyone here has ever been prosecuted or even accused of structuring. In addition, does anyone even know anyone that has been.
Back in the US Mint days, cash was used and people operated much like they do with MO and there were no issues at all. |
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