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AndrewTheMan Jul 24, 2014 8:43 pm


Originally Posted by hamhead (Post 23252912)
Seriously?

Is it that hard to be a little bit more discrete about what you're doing?

Why?

vodkashine Jul 24, 2014 8:51 pm

As Falstaff said, The better part of valour is discretion; in the which better part I have saved my life.


Originally Posted by AndrewTheMan (Post 23252953)
Why?


vagrants Jul 25, 2014 7:12 am


Originally Posted by AndrewTheMan (Post 23252953)
Why?

I'm glad SAR is filed for you then since you don't seem to understand. It certainly look structuring using a single store multiple times a day or whatever you do.

Lappie Jul 25, 2014 7:53 am


Originally Posted by AndrewTheMan (Post 23252603)
Today I did 3k. Each $499.11 MO split into six transactions.

Others mention Structuring here, but they may not know that Publix limits MO to $500 / ea. Thats why he/she did it this way. The MO costs .89 which is why the amount is $499.11 ($500 + .89).

hamhead Jul 25, 2014 7:58 am


Originally Posted by AndrewTheMan (Post 23252953)
Why?

Right off the bat you're drawing attention to yourself dropping $3k on money orders in one visit when frankly the most common users of money orders don't earn $3k in 3 months and most transactions are less than $100. Opening GC packaging in line just makes it even more obvious that you are not an intended or target customer.

You've red flagged yourself into getting SAR filed on you / straight up banned from the store and doing so in front of store management is a great way to drive management to decide risk > reward and stop accepting debit for money orders all together to ensure compliance with money laundering and other laws. I push more MO than most people on this forum - $60k+ a month - but I do so at more than 15 local stores across multiple grocery chains and never more than $1k at a time. If they ask what it is for or make small talk, I'm paying rent or student loans.

It would be more time efficient for me to push more at more convenient stores and higher dollar volume - but I spread it around to not draw attention to myself and to ensure that the methods involved continue to be available, both for me and other people.

vagrants Jul 25, 2014 8:05 am


Originally Posted by Lappie (Post 23254856)
Others mention Structuring here, but they may not know that Publix limits MO to $500 / ea. Thats why he/she did it this way. The MO costs .89 which is why the amount is $499.11 ($500 + .89).

So? That doesn't really matter from "their" point of view. And, "their" point of view is all that matters.

AndrewTheMan Jul 25, 2014 8:12 am


Originally Posted by hamhead (Post 23254878)
Right off the bat you're drawing attention to yourself dropping $3k on money orders in one visit when frankly the most common users of money orders don't earn $3k in 3 months and most transactions are less than $100. Opening GC packaging in line just makes it even more obvious that you are not an intended or target customer.

You've red flagged yourself into getting SAR filed on you / straight up banned from the store and doing so in front of store management is a great way to drive management to decide risk > reward and stop accepting debit for money orders all together to ensure compliance with money laundering and other laws. I push more MO than most people on this forum - $60k+ a month - but I do so at more than 15 local stores across multiple grocery chains and never more than $1k at a time. If they ask what it is for or make small talk, I'm paying rent or student loans.

It would be more time efficient for me to push more at more convenient stores and higher dollar volume - but I spread it around to not draw attention to myself and to ensure that the methods involved continue to be available, both for me and other people.

Wow.. didn't really think about it that way. I do plan on spreading it a bit more since I (now) have three Publix stores within walking distance. Do you know if Winn dixie sells MO with debit?

Regarding banks: What's a "safe" amount to deposit via the app into each account monthy assuming I mix up the MOs to not be sequential, etc?

AndrewTheMan Jul 25, 2014 8:13 am


Originally Posted by vagrants (Post 23254907)
So? That doesn't really matter from "their" point of view. And, "their" point of view is all that matters.

Well the fact that the DM just smiled and make the remark is somewhat comforting..

vagrants Jul 25, 2014 8:17 am


Originally Posted by AndrewTheMan (Post 23254950)
Well the fact that the DM just smiled and make the remark is somewhat comforting..

That's nice, but if I was a DM, I wouldn't care of what you say or what you are doing really. All I would care is protecting the business. Criminals lie about what they do.

busymike Jul 25, 2014 8:20 am


Originally Posted by hamhead (Post 23254878)
I push more MO than most people on this forum - $60k+ a month - but I do so at more than 15 local stores across multiple grocery chains and never more than $1k at a time. If they ask what it is for or make small talk, I'm paying rent or student loans.

you, sir, are admitting to structuring on a public forum. I hope that doesn't come back to bite you.

Zgirl Jul 25, 2014 8:30 am


Originally Posted by hamhead (Post 23254878)
I push more MO than most people on this forum - $60k+ a month - but I do so at more than 15 local stores across multiple grocery chains and never more than $1k at a time.

I guess you deposit all these $60K in MOs at 15 different banks?? Or more? Wow! This is what I call structuring. Very dangerous.

Lappie Jul 25, 2014 8:34 am

I would love to know if anyone here has ever been prosecuted or even accused of structuring. In addition, does anyone even know anyone that has been.

Back in the US Mint days, cash was used and people operated much like they do with MO and there were no issues at all.

By the way, I use Publix all the time for MO and the Customer Service Desk people know me. When I walk in they ask how many, they know what the amount is for. The most I do is $2500 usually in one stop. If I have more, Ill hit another Publix or Winn Dixie for the MO. Not to avoid Structuring but to avoid Manager Overrides and inconvenience. I only use one bank account, the same one I used since the Mint days.

Lappie Jul 25, 2014 8:42 am


Originally Posted by AndrewTheMan (Post 23254944)
Do you know if Winn dixie sells MO with debit?

Yes, and they are .75 per $500. Publix is .89 per $500.

Andy2 Jul 25, 2014 8:45 am


Originally Posted by busymike (Post 23254988)
you, sir, are admitting to structuring on a public forum. I hope that doesn't come back to bite you.

No, he isn't.

There is no consensus as to whether the structuring rules are applicable to either the deposits of money orders or the purchase of money orders with prepaid cards / debit cards. Several posters have done some research indicating that these rules are not applicable to the deposits of money orders, and the preamble to much of the written guidance from Treasury notes the difficulty of applying these laws to prepaid and debit cards, since those instruments were largely nonexistent when the rules were enacted.

Plus structuring is arranging one's transactions to avoid having the other party prepare certain paperwork. There are a number of legitimate reasons that many posters on this board purchase and deposit in relatively smaller quantities. Two obvious ones are the safety of not carrying large amounts of cards / money orders at one time, and the fact that many debit cards have low daily minimums.

In the dollar coin thread, the mods prohibited any poster from accusing another poster of committing a crime. That was a good rule.

Zgirl Jul 25, 2014 8:46 am


Originally Posted by Lappie (Post 23255052)
I would love to know if anyone here has ever been prosecuted or even accused of structuring. In addition, does anyone even know anyone that has been.

Back in the US Mint days, cash was used and people operated much like they do with MO and there were no issues at all.

Of course there were issues with depositing coins during the US mint days. There are quite a few reports on Fatwallet. In my case, Chase has closed my checking account because of depositing large amounts of $1 coins during the US Mint days and reported me to Chex Systems. "Account closed for suspicious activity." 2 weeks later, Wells Fargo closed all my accounts because of that report in Chex Systems. I was not able to open a new checking account for about a year! I had to fight Chase in small claims to have the negative mark removed! Lesson learned.


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