Originally Posted by Happy
(Post 23257526)
He could buy 3K with 6 $500 on one single transaction - that my friend, is NOT structuring.
The way he did it, has all the looks of structuring by splitting up the total amount into $500 total each. Not to mention he visited the same store multiple times a day - how could the store not take notice on such and then decides to do something that the regulations require the merchant to do? :rolleyes: Odd thing is today I hit up winndixie (In a working class area where the median income is like 40k) and did 3k without any questions. I also went to the publix where I got the dorm comment and did 2.5k without many questions. Oh and I got hit on by the cute CVS girl so I call it a win ;);):p:D |
Late last night I bought (2) $1k money orders at WM.
This morning the same clerk from last night was working the customer service desk and I told her that I wanted to load (2) BB cards with $1k each. She told me that she needed to fill out a form if I wanted to continue the transaction. She took down info from my driver license and I also had to write down my SS#. If my memory serves me right, the title of the form was "Money Services Activity Report". I'm not really worried, since I'm not doing anything illegal. I just thought I'd share my experience. |
Originally Posted by IBJanky
(Post 23302769)
Late last night I bought (2) $1k money orders at WM.
This morning the same clerk from last night was working the customer service desk and I told her that I wanted to load (2) BB cards with $1k each. She told me that she needed to fill out a form if I wanted to continue the transaction. She took down info from my driver license and I also had to write down my SS#. If my memory serves me right, the title of the form was "Money Services Activity Report". I'm not really worried, since I'm not doing anything illegal. I just thought I'd share my experience. |
Anyone had a SAR filed on them for buying gift cards? This just happened to me at a grocery store where the filed the SAR for my buying one $500 GC because I had bought $2K a couple of days earlier. I have heard of SARs for MO or even BP at WM, but have never heard of it for buying GCs.
I feel like reporting them because they in fact did the illegal activity by letting me know they were filing a SAR to begin with. They handed me the form to fill out. Though complaining to them would likely do nothing for me accept stir the pot and getting banned from buying at other CUB stores as well I suppose. |
Did it say SAR on it? Current and former Supervalu owned stores (Cub is currently owned by Supervalu) have an additional form called the CIF (Customer Information Form) when a purchase hits a soft limit. The form is filled out by the customer and is kept on file to be made available on request to law enforcement and/or the IRS. It's done to cover themselves so that they can show that they performed due diligence on their part should that purchase ever be connected with any sort of crime.
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Originally Posted by diburning
(Post 23322849)
Did it say SAR on it? Current and former Supervalu owned stores (Cub is currently owned by Supervalu) have an additional form called the CIF (Customer Information Form) when a purchase hits a soft limit. The form is filled out by the customer and is kept on file to be made available on request to law enforcement and/or the IRS. It's done to cover themselves so that they can show that they performed due diligence on their part should that purchase ever be connected with any sort of crime.
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FinCen is an arm of the IRS. FinCen prefers the form to be filled out online (not sure if they still accept faxes).
If they look identical to the one at WalMart, then it's probably a SAR. |
Originally Posted by diburning
(Post 23329214)
FinCen is an arm of the IRS. FinCen prefers the form to be filled out online (not sure if they still accept faxes).
If they look identical to the one at WalMart, then it's probably a SAR. Those are not SARs. |
Originally Posted by AnalystGuy
(Post 23330238)
FinCen is not an arm of the IRS. They are part of Treasury Department, with their own Director.
Those are not SARs. |
Originally Posted by AnalystGuy
(Post 23330238)
FinCen is not an arm of the IRS. They are part of Treasury Department, with their own Director.
Those are not SARs. |
I went to a grocery store today and purchased 1 $500 GC and the lady behind the register asked for my ID and filled out a bunch of information. And handed me back my ID and said," she has to take my information because there is a lot SPAM with GC." I didn't give her my SSN. Do you think there is anything to worry about? Has anyone else had any experiences like this. I am still pretty new to the game
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Originally Posted by MasterCharge
(Post 23256224)
^ "a customer may structure currency deposit or withdrawal transactions, so that each is less than the $10,000 CTR filing threshold; use currency to purchase official bank checks, money orders, or traveler’s checks with currency in amounts less than $10,000 (and possibly in amounts less than the $3,000 recordkeeping threshold for the currency purchase of monetary instruments to avoid having to produce identification in the process); or exchange small bank notes for large ones in amounts less than $10,000."
http://www.ffiec.gov/bsa_aml_infobas...al/OLM_107.htm For that matter, I haven't found any guidance that explicitly states that FIs are treated as currency for the purposes of the $10K limit. I'm not talking about how it happens in practice at banks and MSBs. I'm talking about the actual language from the BSA and FinCEN regs. I could very well be wrong as I'm no expert in this area. Andyandy |
Originally Posted by firefighterchris
(Post 23632882)
I went to a grocery store today and purchased 1 $500 GC and the lady behind the register asked for my ID and filled out a bunch of information. And handed me back my ID and said," she has to take my information because there is a lot SPAM with GC." I didn't give her my SSN. Do you think there is anything to worry about? Has anyone else had any experiences like this. I am still pretty new to the game
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Originally Posted by firefighterchris
(Post 23632882)
I went to a grocery store today and purchased 1 $500 GC and the lady behind the register asked for my ID and filled out a bunch of information. And handed me back my ID and said," she has to take my information because there is a lot SPAM with GC." I didn't give her my SSN. Do you think there is anything to worry about? Has anyone else had any experiences like this. I am still pretty new to the game
That said, I would go to stores that don't ask for personal info, even if doing so means staying under a certain transaction limit. |
While the overall article is concerning, as always, the seventh paragraph reveals some progress.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/us...ired.html?_r=0 Kind of surprising that the IRS would change its policies as a result of an inquiry by the New York Times, after years of concerns being raised by Members of Congress, lawyers, and financial professionals. |
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