Las Vegas - Compare Bellagio and Wynn suites?
#46
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I agree. Having stayed at The Mirage, Bellagio, Wynn tower and FS, I like the fact that FS is a proper hotel rather than a hotel within a casino. I am looking forward to MO as this has the same concept.
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Can Las Vegas support a non-gaming property of the caliber of Mandarin Oriental?
Will MGM really maintain a hands-off approach to operations, or will ultra high rollers become an important customer base causing Mandarin to morph into another luxury casino hotel (without the casino)?
Will MGM really maintain a hands-off approach to operations, or will ultra high rollers become an important customer base causing Mandarin to morph into another luxury casino hotel (without the casino)?
#48
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some thoughts....
My opinion, the MO in Vegas (in this market) is doomed without casino involvement.
My opinion, the MO in Vegas (in this market) is doomed without casino involvement.
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Agree. We came back from LV a few weeks ago, after stopping in Wynn, the thought of stopping in a 3000+ plus room again fills us with dread. The phrase "Fur Coat, No Knickers" is a phrase that comes to mind when thinking of the "luxury experience" that Wynn offers, well in its main wing. Yes, there's lots of marble and glitz but the service is nothing special.
We said, if we ever go back to LV, we'd rather pay extra to go somewhere a bot more intimate MO/FS sound much more up our street.
We said, if we ever go back to LV, we'd rather pay extra to go somewhere a bot more intimate MO/FS sound much more up our street.
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"Stop being financiers, entertainment booking agents, hotel developers, golf course developers, resort developers or any other type of developer that takes resources away from operating a casino," Meczka said. "Do what you do best in an industry that affords operators the highest known (legal) return on investment – run a casino, nothing more, nothing less."
#51
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you seem to be forgetting the independent management contract. i cant imagine rates will be like FS.
also, the residences were about sold out. while we dont know what % will close, owners pay high monthly maintenance fees.
also, the residences were about sold out. while we dont know what % will close, owners pay high monthly maintenance fees.
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I have only stayed at the MO BKK and SIN but I have not been impressed with either property. I do not expect MO LAS to raise the bar in terms of service; nevertheless, I am looking forward to giving them a try once they iron out opening kinks.
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I was leafing through a holiday brochure yesterday and it featured both the FS and MO. In this particular brochure rates at the MO were 10-20% HIGHER than the FS throughout the period the brochure covers. This was admittedly a holiday brochure, so the rates published can be way off the reality and may reflect more what the tour operator (The Bearded One) thinks they can get.
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I am looking forward to Pierre Gagnaire's restaurant in the MO LAS, however. We had a fantastic meal at his Paris flagship.
So now it looks like the big french chefs are now represented in LAS -- Ducasse, Savoy, Robuchon, and now Gagnaire. I wonder when Ferran Adria will open his outpost in Vegas?
So now it looks like the big french chefs are now represented in LAS -- Ducasse, Savoy, Robuchon, and now Gagnaire. I wonder when Ferran Adria will open his outpost in Vegas?
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Our Las Vegas attorney represents several other condo purchasers in the "Center City" complex.
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some thoughts....
My opinion, the MO in Vegas (in this market) is doomed without casino involvement.
My opinion, the MO in Vegas (in this market) is doomed without casino involvement.
I live on top of MO NYC, hopefully the MO LAS will be just as nice.
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I have deposits and contracts on 2 condo units at the MO Las Vegas. Myself and others are asking for a refund of our deposit and cancellation of our contracts or steep price reductions.
Our Las Vegas attorney represents several other condo purchasers in the "Center City" complex.
Our Las Vegas attorney represents several other condo purchasers in the "Center City" complex.
I'm going to guess that the residences occupancy figures will adjust within the next six months (after completion of the property).
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did you get in pre construction?
re MO LAS, there is no potential for hotel rental income, so no one bought for that. also, one article said a third of buyers are planning to use as primary residence. will be very interesting to see what happens. same with all of citycenter.
condo fees will probably generate ~$5MM+ a year.
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The Encore pool was heated when I stayed there last winter (shortly after it opened). Too warm, actually. No idea about Wynn or Bellagio but presumably they are also heated.