Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Code:
DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Sep 21, 2009, 11:25 am
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Since you are coming from a Schengen country and connecting to a non-Schengen destination you will have to go through passport control, though this should not add more than a few minutes. If your incoming flight is on time you might make it but otherwise it's a little bit too tight.
Sep 21, 2009, 11:58 am
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I know that AC will be responsible for a missed connection, but I don't really want the grief that accompanies that sort of problem.
I assume that since this violated the MCT at FRA I have a good case to get them to change the flight?
Sep 21, 2009, 1:23 pm
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I don't have much experience of flying from a Schengen country to FRA and will defer to someone with more relevant experience. If it's a longhaul -> shorthaul connection I might risk it because there are later flights, but since it's a shorthaul -> longhaul connection I would personally try and get on an earlier flight to FRA.
Oct 4, 2009, 3:33 pm
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Question about "Quick transfer guide" from C to A Gates
I was reading the "Quick transfer guide" under the category :
"A domestic <--> C (Sky Line train or walk through terminal)"
My intercontinental flight (LH 493) from YVR arrives at Gate C13 and I transfer to Gate A1 to catch a domestic flight (LH 4084) to VCE. The return flights are the reverse gates. Is it faster/less hassle to "walk through terminal" or is it faster/less hassle to take the "Sky Line train"? We are a healthy family of four (two late teens) but have never been to FRA and have no experience with the Sky Line train (but I can learn). We arrive on a Wednesday(July) at 11:20am. We have a 1hour 10 minute stop over at FRA and LH 493 has a historical average delay of 17 minutes arriving from YVR into FRA. Thank you for your advice.
"A domestic <--> C (Sky Line train or walk through terminal)"
My intercontinental flight (LH 493) from YVR arrives at Gate C13 and I transfer to Gate A1 to catch a domestic flight (LH 4084) to VCE. The return flights are the reverse gates. Is it faster/less hassle to "walk through terminal" or is it faster/less hassle to take the "Sky Line train"? We are a healthy family of four (two late teens) but have never been to FRA and have no experience with the Sky Line train (but I can learn). We arrive on a Wednesday(July) at 11:20am. We have a 1hour 10 minute stop over at FRA and LH 493 has a historical average delay of 17 minutes arriving from YVR into FRA. Thank you for your advice.
Oct 4, 2009, 4:59 pm
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I was reading the "Quick transfer guide" under the category :
"A domestic <--> C (Sky Line train or walk through terminal)"
My intercontinental flight (LH 493) from YVR arrives at Gate C13 and I transfer to Gate A1 to catch a domestic flight (LH 4084) to VCE. The return flights are the reverse gates. Is it faster/less hassle to "walk through terminal" or is it faster/less hassle to take the "Sky Line train"? We are a healthy family of four (two late teens) but have never been to FRA and have no experience with the Sky Line train (but I can learn). We arrive on a Wednesday(July) at 11:20am. We have a 1hour 10 minute stop over at FRA and LH 493 has a historical average delay of 17 minutes arriving from YVR into FRA. Thank you for your advice.
"A domestic <--> C (Sky Line train or walk through terminal)"
My intercontinental flight (LH 493) from YVR arrives at Gate C13 and I transfer to Gate A1 to catch a domestic flight (LH 4084) to VCE. The return flights are the reverse gates. Is it faster/less hassle to "walk through terminal" or is it faster/less hassle to take the "Sky Line train"? We are a healthy family of four (two late teens) but have never been to FRA and have no experience with the Sky Line train (but I can learn). We arrive on a Wednesday(July) at 11:20am. We have a 1hour 10 minute stop over at FRA and LH 493 has a historical average delay of 17 minutes arriving from YVR into FRA. Thank you for your advice.
As there's a lot of construction work going on at FRA partly to comply with EU regulations and partly due to Pier A extension, things may be very different by July.
The best advice is to follow the signs. You may have to walk a long way but provided you follow the signs to your departure gate you should be fine. Whatever route you follow you will have to go through passport control and at least one security checkpoint.
Oct 4, 2009, 6:25 pm
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That is good advice. Could I ask one more question. Is the walk from Gate
C13 to Gate A1 all on the same level?
C13 to Gate A1 all on the same level?
Oct 4, 2009, 10:53 pm
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I was reading the "Quick transfer guide" under the category :
"A domestic <--> C (Sky Line train or walk through terminal)"
My intercontinental flight (LH 493) from YVR arrives at Gate C13 and I transfer to Gate A1 to catch a domestic flight (LH 4084) to VCE. The return flights are the reverse gates. Is it faster/less hassle to "walk through terminal" or is it faster/less hassle to take the "Sky Line train"? We are a healthy family of four (two late teens) but have never been to FRA and have no experience with the Sky Line train (but I can learn). We arrive on a Wednesday(July) at 11:20am. We have a 1hour 10 minute stop over at FRA and LH 493 has a historical average delay of 17 minutes arriving from YVR into FRA. Thank you for your advice.
"A domestic <--> C (Sky Line train or walk through terminal)"
My intercontinental flight (LH 493) from YVR arrives at Gate C13 and I transfer to Gate A1 to catch a domestic flight (LH 4084) to VCE. The return flights are the reverse gates. Is it faster/less hassle to "walk through terminal" or is it faster/less hassle to take the "Sky Line train"? We are a healthy family of four (two late teens) but have never been to FRA and have no experience with the Sky Line train (but I can learn). We arrive on a Wednesday(July) at 11:20am. We have a 1hour 10 minute stop over at FRA and LH 493 has a historical average delay of 17 minutes arriving from YVR into FRA. Thank you for your advice.
The flight is normally on time. It sometimes arrives actually earlier. Even if it leaves later than scheduled. So far I only had once a 4 hours delay, because they had to replace the aircraft due to technical problems. With the right tailwind it is possible to do that route in 8 hours. Doesn't happen that often, but sometimes it does.
If you are flying in F and connecting to Schengen, then no matter where you arrive the best is to leave the terminal and walk to the FCT. From C13 it is the same distance and might be even faster since you avoid the stupid security non-sense (twice). From B26 it would be faster to go to A26, but the security check after passport control can take longer than walking to the FCT. So I always pick the FCT.
For your return flight, you have a couple of choices. If you are in F and the flight leaves from B26, then go to the FCL at B22. If your flight leaves from C13 then go to the FCT since the C gates only have a SEN and business lounge. If you are not in F, then the new business lounge in B is actually a good choice. If the flight leaves from C13, then go there. You have a SEN and business lounge directly at the gate.
So far I never had LH492 leaving from C13. It was always B26 or sometimes some other B gate, but never C.
Oct 5, 2009, 1:26 am
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For the last few days LH493 arrivals were B23, apron position/bus gate and C16, so you can't really tell where it will end up on any given day.
I'm assuming that europe10 and family will not be arriving in F and that he/she is not a SEN or *G and therefore no lounge access. In any case unless the timetable changes between now and July it will be a fairly tight connection, so it's straight from the arrival gate to the departure gate.
To answer europe10's question the walk from C13-16 to Schengen A gates is not on the same level but there are escalators and elevators.
I'm assuming that europe10 and family will not be arriving in F and that he/she is not a SEN or *G and therefore no lounge access. In any case unless the timetable changes between now and July it will be a fairly tight connection, so it's straight from the arrival gate to the departure gate.
To answer europe10's question the walk from C13-16 to Schengen A gates is not on the same level but there are escalators and elevators.
Oct 5, 2009, 2:40 am
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Thanks to all involved. Great stuff. LH should copy and paste the essence of this thread to any email confirmation.
Then again, if one were to show this (especially the permutations involving non-Schengen, non-LH arrivals) to somebody using FRA for the first time, you could expect unbelieving looks. Instead of the three words "Follow the signs", has somebody suggested the other magic words: "Fly through MUC or ZRH"?
Then again, if one were to show this (especially the permutations involving non-Schengen, non-LH arrivals) to somebody using FRA for the first time, you could expect unbelieving looks. Instead of the three words "Follow the signs", has somebody suggested the other magic words: "Fly through MUC or ZRH"?
Oct 5, 2009, 7:12 am
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Now that was very helpful. Thank you. Myself and the family will be flying econonmy and we are not a SEN and therefore have no lounge access. Sounds like we just have to be prepared for all scenarios and "follow the signs". Thanks.
Oct 5, 2009, 3:39 pm
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Bus as said before a lot will change until mid-next year in FRA, and the gate assignments for flights change on an almost daily basis anyway. There's a very large changes that the Vancoucer flight arrives or depares in the B pier, and intra-Schengen flights can use all lower A gates as well as the bus gates in B.
Oct 6, 2009, 1:46 am
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You can do it on the same level if you want, it's probably the most efficient way. Just go out of security in A, walk through the CI-HALL to C and to your gate. There are a few stairs though as the A/B/old C level is lower than the new C level. And if you want to use the lounges near C13 you will have to go upstairs for the lounges.
This plan of the A-Plus Pier (wasn't it going to be called A0?) on the Fraport website shows how useless the Skyline train is except between D/E and B (and some part of A).
Nov 2, 2009, 3:39 pm
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1:05 connection Dfw-Maa
Hi:
I did a search and did not find anything exactly on point. My family and I are connecting in FRA on Sunday 12-20 with an arrival from DFW at 9:05 and a departure at 10:10 to MAA. I (we) have connected in FRA many times just not with this tight time window.
Does the fact that is a Sunday minimize the risk of a holding pattern or 2 over Fra? I fear the holding pattern and the bus gate will eat up our 1:05 pretty easily.
Any tips anyone has would be greatly appreciated, we are in J if that makes any difference but as of 2009 I am a lowly M&M base level member.
I did a search and did not find anything exactly on point. My family and I are connecting in FRA on Sunday 12-20 with an arrival from DFW at 9:05 and a departure at 10:10 to MAA. I (we) have connected in FRA many times just not with this tight time window.
Does the fact that is a Sunday minimize the risk of a holding pattern or 2 over Fra? I fear the holding pattern and the bus gate will eat up our 1:05 pretty easily.
Any tips anyone has would be greatly appreciated, we are in J if that makes any difference but as of 2009 I am a lowly M&M base level member.
Nov 3, 2009, 2:28 am
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My family and I are connecting in FRA on Sunday 12-20 with an arrival from DFW at 9:05 and a departure at 10:10 to MAA. I (we) have connected in FRA many times just not with this tight time window.
Does the fact that is a Sunday minimize the risk of a holding pattern or 2 over Fra? I fear the holding pattern and the bus gate will eat up our 1:05 pretty easily.
Any tips anyone has would be greatly appreciated, we are in J if that makes any difference but as of 2009 I am a lowly M&M base level member.
Does the fact that is a Sunday minimize the risk of a holding pattern or 2 over Fra? I fear the holding pattern and the bus gate will eat up our 1:05 pretty easily.
Any tips anyone has would be greatly appreciated, we are in J if that makes any difference but as of 2009 I am a lowly M&M base level member.