Value of M&M miles (earn/burn ratio) [before part of Misleading LH *A award chart]
Jul 6, 2008, 9:16 am
#31
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I now only use BMI to accumulate *A status miles which do not qualify as HON circle miles, as I seem to be in a dilusional state of mind chasing HONorable status...
Jul 6, 2008, 10:30 am
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Jul 6, 2008, 11:25 am
#35
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Jul 6, 2008, 11:46 am
#37
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I am one of those idiots sticking to M&M
and obviously I fly a lot.
So why am I so stupid???
I don't even use the promos - but I should....
a) I fly LH 100% of the time for leisure
b) I fly *A 95% of the time for leisure or work - every now and then one world
c) I ONLY fly premium cabin - meaning F when available.
I put all *A earnings into M&M. - why.
I ONLY spend on LH - I get guaranteed seats, I have the best CSR in the world, I have been treated extremely well during irrops...
and when I fly with my daughter we are treated the best way possible.
I do care about miles, and I do care about spending them - but when I earn on average over 600K a year - my opportunity cost is not how many tickets I can get - but if I get them when I need them and so far I never had to look for an alternative date - even when it is officially sold out.
For me the ground service is nearly more improtant thant the rest - and here I have no problems with.
So why am I so stupid???
I don't even use the promos - but I should....
a) I fly LH 100% of the time for leisure
b) I fly *A 95% of the time for leisure or work - every now and then one world
c) I ONLY fly premium cabin - meaning F when available.
I put all *A earnings into M&M. - why.
I ONLY spend on LH - I get guaranteed seats, I have the best CSR in the world, I have been treated extremely well during irrops...
and when I fly with my daughter we are treated the best way possible.
I do care about miles, and I do care about spending them - but when I earn on average over 600K a year - my opportunity cost is not how many tickets I can get - but if I get them when I need them and so far I never had to look for an alternative date - even when it is officially sold out.
For me the ground service is nearly more improtant thant the rest - and here I have no problems with.
Last edited by roundtheworld; Jul 6, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Jul 6, 2008, 2:37 pm
#38
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Likewise for me - the treatment I get with M&M means a lot. I regularly get awards booked through M&M that would not be able to be booked with other FFPs for lack of availability, and I'm not just talking about seats being released on M&M airlines.
So, while the award cost may seem high compared to some others, I still feel I am getting good value. And if the treatment should go downhill, well that is why I burn at roughly the same rate as I earn - so I can be free to move elsewhere if needed.
So, while the award cost may seem high compared to some others, I still feel I am getting good value. And if the treatment should go downhill, well that is why I burn at roughly the same rate as I earn - so I can be free to move elsewhere if needed.
Jul 6, 2008, 5:35 pm
#39
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Jul 6, 2008, 5:49 pm
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Jul 7, 2008, 3:00 am
#43
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I just started BMI two months ago and I am very happy with them - never making it to HON anyway, so I am picking the best of both worlds. For flights on LH I can use my M&M miles and for all other *A flights it doesn't make any difference whether I am using LH or BD - but the cash & miles option is a fantastic deal indeed! Never been on any BD flight ever...
Jul 7, 2008, 3:11 am
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Jul 7, 2008, 4:13 am
#45
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There are so many cons and pros in all FFP, probably each FFP is for someone with his special needs and flight pattern the best program.
I like LH M&M (being SEN) for the following things, which other programs do not offer:
- 2 years status period, which will guarantee me SEN till 02/2011 (and FTL till 02/2013, even though I have reduced my flights since the beginning of the year.
- No miles expiration while having status + 3 years, so for me it is 02/2016
- Anytime LH SEN lounge access, even with a guest - regardless on you flight - you don't even need to fly. The latter is great e.g. when picking someone up and waiting for the train home (when you have access to the airside area, which I have).
- Great miles collection promos such as T-Mobile, this year I have collected ~200k miles for free. Well, actually not only for free, I even received some hundreds Euros on top
- Nice spending miles promotions (even though they are in eco), e.g. 37500 miles for two to NRT.
- SEN companion award, secong person for 50% miles on LH/LX/LT/OS-flights
- Generally nice treatment on LH flight (which I fly mostly)
- So far all flights were credited properly without the need for retro-crediting
If I my flight pattern had not changed this year, I would have started collecting with bmi, but now this is not interesting, as I cannot take advantage of the double-miles-above-55k-promo.
I like LH M&M (being SEN) for the following things, which other programs do not offer:
- 2 years status period, which will guarantee me SEN till 02/2011 (and FTL till 02/2013, even though I have reduced my flights since the beginning of the year.
- No miles expiration while having status + 3 years, so for me it is 02/2016
- Anytime LH SEN lounge access, even with a guest - regardless on you flight - you don't even need to fly. The latter is great e.g. when picking someone up and waiting for the train home (when you have access to the airside area, which I have).
- Great miles collection promos such as T-Mobile, this year I have collected ~200k miles for free. Well, actually not only for free, I even received some hundreds Euros on top
- Nice spending miles promotions (even though they are in eco), e.g. 37500 miles for two to NRT.
- SEN companion award, secong person for 50% miles on LH/LX/LT/OS-flights
- Generally nice treatment on LH flight (which I fly mostly)
- So far all flights were credited properly without the need for retro-crediting
If I my flight pattern had not changed this year, I would have started collecting with bmi, but now this is not interesting, as I cannot take advantage of the double-miles-above-55k-promo.