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#2806
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So hour plane arrived and *drumroll* the crew left the plane. It's not officially cancelled yet while the TXL flight is. Let's see how long it takes them to cancel the FRA flight too. I guess once they're done accommodating the TXL pax
#2807
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My ZRH-NUE flight had to take an odd routing due to heavy thunder storms between STR and ZRH. We went all the way east and then over MUC to NUE.
#2808
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No thunderstorms in HAM today. Just lovely plain blue sky
#2809
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Apparently PAX of some arriving flights are trapped in their planes and not let out due to the weather. To be continued..
#2810
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#2811
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It doesn´t look good for you STR-FRA flight.
MET-INFORMATION 02.06.2008 18:52:56 UTC
STUTTGART_ECHTERDINGEN STR EDDS - FRANKFURT_MAIN FRA EDDF
-----WARNINGS:-----
NO ACTUAL WARNINGS FOR UAOS31
NO ACTUAL WARNINGS FOR WSEDFF
NO ACTUAL WARNINGS FOR WAEDFF
NO ACTUAL WARNINGS FOR WSEDMM
NO ACTUAL WARNINGS FOR WAEDMM
WSDL31 EDZF 021625
EDGG SIGMET 2 VALID 021630/021900 EDZF-
EDGG LANGEN FIR FRQ TSGR OBS LINE EDDL-EDFH-EDDS-EDMK TOP FL400 MOV
NW NC
=
WSDL32 EDZF 021628
EDUU SIGMET 2 VALID 021630/021900 EDZF-
EDUU RHEIN UIR FRQ TSGR OBS LINE EDDL-EDFH-EDDS-EDMK TOP FL400 MOV
NW NC
=
NO ACTUAL WARNINGS FOR WAED*
------
*** FRANKFURT_MAIN FRA/EDDF
SAEDDF 021820Z 33007KT 9999 FEW035 FEW050CB BKN300 24/16 Q1008
NOSIG=
SA EDDF MESSAGE TOO OLD
FCEDDF 021800Z 021904 21006KT 9999 SCT050 PROB40 TEMPO 1901
18015G35KT 4000 TSRAGR BKN020CB PROB40 TEMPO 0104 3000 BR
BKN008=
FTEDDF 021600Z 030024 25007KT 9999 SCT045 PROB30
TEMPO 0003 18015G25KT 4000 TSRA BKN030CB PROB30
TEMPO 0307 3000 BR BKN008=
*** STUTTGART_ECHTERDINGEN STR/EDDS
SAEDDS 021820Z 18007KT 9999 TSRA FEW006 FEW035CB BKN070 17/15
Q1012 NOSIG=
SAEDDS 021750Z 18012KT 9999 -SHRA VCTS FEW006 FEW035CB SCT100
BKN300 18/15 Q1011 RERA TEMPO SHRA=
FCEDDS 021900Z 021904 23007KT 9999 SCT035 TEMPO 1922 23015G30KT 2500
TSRA BKN014CB TEMPO 2204 2000 SHRA BKN009=
FTEDDS 021600Z 030024 28006KT 9999 BKN035 PROB30 TEMPO 0207 2000 BR
TEMPO 0724 4000 SHRA BKN014=
+++++ END +++++
MET-INFORMATION 02.06.2008 18:52:56 UTC
STUTTGART_ECHTERDINGEN STR EDDS - FRANKFURT_MAIN FRA EDDF
-----WARNINGS:-----
NO ACTUAL WARNINGS FOR UAOS31
NO ACTUAL WARNINGS FOR WSEDFF
NO ACTUAL WARNINGS FOR WAEDFF
NO ACTUAL WARNINGS FOR WSEDMM
NO ACTUAL WARNINGS FOR WAEDMM
WSDL31 EDZF 021625
EDGG SIGMET 2 VALID 021630/021900 EDZF-
EDGG LANGEN FIR FRQ TSGR OBS LINE EDDL-EDFH-EDDS-EDMK TOP FL400 MOV
NW NC
=
WSDL32 EDZF 021628
EDUU SIGMET 2 VALID 021630/021900 EDZF-
EDUU RHEIN UIR FRQ TSGR OBS LINE EDDL-EDFH-EDDS-EDMK TOP FL400 MOV
NW NC
=
NO ACTUAL WARNINGS FOR WAED*
------
*** FRANKFURT_MAIN FRA/EDDF
SAEDDF 021820Z 33007KT 9999 FEW035 FEW050CB BKN300 24/16 Q1008
NOSIG=
SA EDDF MESSAGE TOO OLD
FCEDDF 021800Z 021904 21006KT 9999 SCT050 PROB40 TEMPO 1901
18015G35KT 4000 TSRAGR BKN020CB PROB40 TEMPO 0104 3000 BR
BKN008=
FTEDDF 021600Z 030024 25007KT 9999 SCT045 PROB30
TEMPO 0003 18015G25KT 4000 TSRA BKN030CB PROB30
TEMPO 0307 3000 BR BKN008=
*** STUTTGART_ECHTERDINGEN STR/EDDS
SAEDDS 021820Z 18007KT 9999 TSRA FEW006 FEW035CB BKN070 17/15
Q1012 NOSIG=
SAEDDS 021750Z 18012KT 9999 -SHRA VCTS FEW006 FEW035CB SCT100
BKN300 18/15 Q1011 RERA TEMPO SHRA=
FCEDDS 021900Z 021904 23007KT 9999 SCT035 TEMPO 1922 23015G30KT 2500
TSRA BKN014CB TEMPO 2204 2000 SHRA BKN009=
FTEDDS 021600Z 030024 28006KT 9999 BKN035 PROB30 TEMPO 0207 2000 BR
TEMPO 0724 4000 SHRA BKN014=
+++++ END +++++
#2812
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Care to explain what the gibberish means?
And yeah, at this point I'd be much happier if they'd just put me in a hotel here in Stuttgart.
In the meantime they announced cancellations for about half a dozen flights, it seems just like the other TXL flight and FRA are still pending. I hope this doesn't end like my last evening flight cancellation out of STR were all hotels anywhere near the airport were fully booked and they had to put my into a place about half an hour away. (Which incidentally was the Condor crew hotel)
And yeah, at this point I'd be much happier if they'd just put me in a hotel here in Stuttgart.
In the meantime they announced cancellations for about half a dozen flights, it seems just like the other TXL flight and FRA are still pending. I hope this doesn't end like my last evening flight cancellation out of STR were all hotels anywhere near the airport were fully booked and they had to put my into a place about half an hour away. (Which incidentally was the Condor crew hotel)
#2813
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#2814
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The lounge warden just told a pax that LH doesn't provide hotels at all in case of weather. That's not what I've seen in the past. Time to look at the EU regs..
#2815
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#2817
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LH is required to give care (i.e. food+hotel) whatever the reason for the delay/cancellation. No cash compensation is due though.
#2818
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Ground crew (baggage handlers, refuelling, etc) are not allowed to be outside during a thunder storm for safety reasons. Kind of makes sense, but I don't know why an airbridge could not be attached ?
#2819
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I could see an airbridge beeing attached to a plane in front of me and lots of pax walking out. But there might be more planes waiting then there are jet-bridges. At least all bridges I can see from the lounge-window are taken.
#2820
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261/2004 seems to be pretty clear that compensation is waived for extra-ordinary circumstances (which makes sense), but assistance and care and thus the hotel room is not.
Well, let's see how this works out.
Well, let's see how this works out.