Statistics: How many HON's, SEN's, FTL's
Oct 18, 2018, 11:07 am
#61
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: CH
Programs: LX SEN
Posts: 899
Yes, LH has been cutting F cabins, not Y cabins. PE works well for airlines, as costs (seats, FAs, meals, other services) remain low and competition is not racing to provide the most extravagant services.
Oct 21, 2018, 1:37 am
#62
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: LO
Posts: 150
Interesting because UA MP does not give access to lounges on domestic flights in the US but LH SEN does. I thought that Y --> FFP pays, C --> the operating carrier pays. Not a good deal for UA if it is as you mentioned.
Oct 21, 2018, 6:10 am
#63
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: London, Paris
Programs: LH HON, AF Platinum
Posts: 2,001
You can be a GS on United and still not get lounge access. How messed up is that?
its probably to reduce crowding, but then there are still so many people because they have those one time passes from the credit cards.
its probably to reduce crowding, but then there are still so many people because they have those one time passes from the credit cards.
Oct 22, 2018, 12:15 am
#65
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: CH
Programs: LX SEN
Posts: 899
This FT myth must be put to bed. As oliver2002 will confirm (and probably even posted it first) the operating carrier pays for the lounge access, not the FFP. So accessing SEN lounge on a LH flight with a A3 Gold and LH pays.
I can also recall him posting the FTL/SEN lounge prices and they were in the low Euros. Like €3 for FTL and €4ish for SEN? Thats years ago...but its not a lot.
I can also recall him posting the FTL/SEN lounge prices and they were in the low Euros. Like €3 for FTL and €4ish for SEN? Thats years ago...but its not a lot.
Oct 22, 2018, 12:49 am
#66
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,481
Who says LH is making so much from your discounted A class tickets? If you're only paying that, I'm quite sure there is someone sitting behind you in C who has paid the same or more and costs LH far less in catering, lounges, miles liability, crewing, fuel, baggage & pax handling etc. Pax on Y fares are many, many more times more profitable than you on those discounted First fares.
LH have done the dumpy dumpy on their F cabins for as long as I have been interested in collecting points.
LH have done the dumpy dumpy on their F cabins for as long as I have been interested in collecting points.
When you step back and look at it from this perspective, your argument is respectfully, nonsense.
The reason, why you can not compare discounted fares with full fares is, that they are different kinds of customers. Discounted F will not fly full C usually and vice versa. Of course a plane full of full F fare pax only (and F seats only) is the most profitable one. But the number of full F pax is very limited, like the number of full C pax as well. You only fly full fare, if you don‘t care about money (because you have far too much or - most likely - because it’s not you who is paying the ticket) or if you have to fly on a specific flight and no cheaper seat is available.
But a F pax is not the same as a F seat, because while you can dump Y fares, it is more difficult with F fares. The biggest enemy of high-priced products is dumping prices, especially for sales. That is the reason for partner sales.
Oct 22, 2018, 3:25 am
#67
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Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: London
Programs: Hilton, IHG - BA, GA, LH, QR, SV, TK
Posts: 17,008
PS I'm not sure what you mean by the caveat "taking the same space". Passengers in those three categories manifestly do not take the same space: perhaps you are referring to unit floor space of the relevant cabins - in which case the revenue side is straightforward to account for: the cost side is where the fun starts.
Oct 22, 2018, 7:49 am
#68
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: LH M&M, BA EC, DL SM
Posts: 5,731
The long answer is: Very few people are really in the know and these people will most likely not make the information public. So we will have to live with speculation.
Oct 22, 2018, 10:07 am
#70
Moderator: SAS
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: BLL & CPH & ZRH
Programs: LX, SK EBD (*G)
Posts: 3,152
I ask this because a lot of ppl (including employees) have the opinion they are the exact same, even tough there is a difference in reality.
As *G you always get greeted on LH/LX flights as well.
Oct 22, 2018, 10:19 am
#72
Moderator: SAS
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: BLL & CPH & ZRH
Programs: LX, SK EBD (*G)
Posts: 3,152
Oct 22, 2018, 2:31 pm
#73
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: LH M&M, BA EC, DL SM
Posts: 5,731
For example, a year or two ago I was always greeted and received a bottle of water and a refreshing towel before take off on feeder flights from Germany to ZRH. Now I hardly ever get greeted.
Oct 22, 2018, 3:35 pm
#75
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: LH M&M, BA EC, DL SM
Posts: 5,731