Nov 12, 2019, 6:52 am
Last edit by: ACflyerDE
The programme will now change from 1 January 2022 (postponed again and it will not start before 2023)
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
New qualifying points system for status from 2024
Nov 12, 2019, 12:25 am
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It puzzles me.
BA has an uncompetitive F product but an increasingly strong J product. In that context, making F earn 1.5 times the status points as J seems somewhat reasonable.
LH group has a strong F product but a weak J product. The price differential between F and J class tends to be a bit larger than with BA.
Now, currently flying F gets you 2.6x the miles of flying discounted business (P). That wil drop down massively such that A/F earns 1.4x as much as discounted business (P). Again, BA gives 1.5x as much for F than J. LH will credit you less, even though F is more of a step up.
Another big difference is that you can fly your way to BA status flying CX F, JL F, ...
Instead, you cannot make HON by flying NH or SQ F. (For SEN, at least 50% needs to be on LH group metal. So flying predominantly TG, SQ, CA, or AC won't do.)
Given the low earnings rate of LH group F, it will not be cost-effective to status run in F anymore. Not even when taking a positioning flight to reduce the price before flying F out of FRA/MUC/ZRH.
BA has an uncompetitive F product but an increasingly strong J product. In that context, making F earn 1.5 times the status points as J seems somewhat reasonable.
LH group has a strong F product but a weak J product. The price differential between F and J class tends to be a bit larger than with BA.
Now, currently flying F gets you 2.6x the miles of flying discounted business (P). That wil drop down massively such that A/F earns 1.4x as much as discounted business (P). Again, BA gives 1.5x as much for F than J. LH will credit you less, even though F is more of a step up.
Another big difference is that you can fly your way to BA status flying CX F, JL F, ...
Instead, you cannot make HON by flying NH or SQ F. (For SEN, at least 50% needs to be on LH group metal. So flying predominantly TG, SQ, CA, or AC won't do.)
Given the low earnings rate of LH group F, it will not be cost-effective to status run in F anymore. Not even when taking a positioning flight to reduce the price before flying F out of FRA/MUC/ZRH.
Nov 12, 2019, 12:28 am
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Nov 12, 2019, 12:29 am
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Usually, very good TP runs costs around 0.015 EUR/TP, not even factoring in the cost of time and positioning flights.
You might see 0.012 or 0.013 EUR/TP occassionally for short-haul business with an overnight stay requirement. That overnight stay pushes up the effective cost.
So I call BS on your claim. The only way to get to a concorde room card for 5k EUR would be through error fares. But it's unrealistic to make 5k TP through error fares. Considering the substantial risks involved and the substantial time you need to have on your hands to book EF routinely, I doubt anyone earns 5k TP in a given membership year through EFs.
Nov 12, 2019, 12:31 am
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Oh really? The FT article didn't mention that, just that you need LH Group metal for HON.
Nov 12, 2019, 12:33 am
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They also spell out how our existing flights will be calculated towards lifetime status:
If this is correct they are just counting the number of days someone had status irrespective of whether this status was earned on LH group metal or on other airlines. This works very well for me, I will come out at over 8000 lifetime points under the new system.
Recognition of Status Stars points to obtain Frequent Traveller Lifetime and Senator Lifetime:
Of course, we are aware that you have already been flying with us for some time. We will therefore convert the Status Stars points that you have accrued up until 31 December 2020 into qualifying points so you can obtain Frequent Traveller Lifetime or Senator Lifetime.
Conversion factor: two Status Stars points will be equivalent to one qualifying point. All frequent flyers with four or five Status Stars will thus be awarded Senator Lifetime at the beginning of 2021. You will receive Frequent Traveller Lifetime if you have already achieved three Status Stars by the end of 2020.
Of course, we are aware that you have already been flying with us for some time. We will therefore convert the Status Stars points that you have accrued up until 31 December 2020 into qualifying points so you can obtain Frequent Traveller Lifetime or Senator Lifetime.
Conversion factor: two Status Stars points will be equivalent to one qualifying point. All frequent flyers with four or five Status Stars will thus be awarded Senator Lifetime at the beginning of 2021. You will receive Frequent Traveller Lifetime if you have already achieved three Status Stars by the end of 2020.
Nov 12, 2019, 12:34 am
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Nov 12, 2019, 12:35 am
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German magazine DER SPIEGEL reports, that status will be valid for one year plus the time to the end of the following February.
Qualification in February 2021 => status until February 2022
Qualification in March 2021 => status until February 2023
So status will be valid at least 12 months with a maximum of 23 months and 30 days.
Qualification in February 2021 => status until February 2022
Qualification in March 2021 => status until February 2023
So status will be valid at least 12 months with a maximum of 23 months and 30 days.
Qualification in February 2021 => status until February 2023
Qualification in March 2021 => status until February 2023
So status will be valid at least 14 months with a maximum of 25 months and 30 days.
Nov 12, 2019, 12:36 am
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Also surprised by the lifetime qp calculation. Yesterday they pussy footed around this topic ... But I'm ok with the solution: it's a fitting tribute to the pointless status star episode. 
Nov 12, 2019, 12:39 am
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The new calculator states a Germany to Tunisia flight is "Intercontinental" flight.
Nov 12, 2019, 12:43 am
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Nov 12, 2019, 12:44 am
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Other news especially relevant for Senators & HONs:
This means as a SEN I will get 2 eVouchers when I qualify but when I keep on flying I will receive 2 more eVouchers at 700 qualifying points. This is not bad for me as I currently fly about twice what is needed for SEN per year but not enough for HON. So this means 4 eVouchers for me per year instead of 2 every two years.
EDIT: HONs will receive 4 eVouchers when qualifying.
New:
Miles & More Selections will no longer be available in their current form from 1 January 2021. This will make it simpler for you. This is because in future, above a certain number of qualifying points per calendar year, you will receive additional benefits automatically, without any action neccessary on your part:
Frequent Traveller
Mileage exchange at 200 qualifying points
Senator
HON Circle Member
Miles & More Selections will no longer be available in their current form from 1 January 2021. This will make it simpler for you. This is because in future, above a certain number of qualifying points per calendar year, you will receive additional benefits automatically, without any action neccessary on your part:
Frequent Traveller
Mileage exchange at 200 qualifying points
Senator
- 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points
- 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points
- Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON Circle Member
- 2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points
- 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points
- 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points
- Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points
- Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
EDIT: HONs will receive 4 eVouchers when qualifying.
Nov 12, 2019, 12:46 am
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It means, that you can get Lifetime SEN without ever flying with integrated M&M carriers and starting from 2021 you can't get SEN for a year without flying integrated M&M carriers.
Nov 12, 2019, 12:47 am
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Nov 12, 2019, 12:51 am
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