Nov 5, 2019, 4:16 am
Last edit by: oliver2002
Rebooking waiver issued November 5, 2019 for the strike to occur on November 7-8, 2019
LH advises you what do in case of irreg cancellations here: https://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/flight-disruptions
UFO has called on its cabin crew members for a two-day strike on 7 and 8 November. Lufthansa condemns the UFO's call for a strike in the strongest possible terms and is considering legal steps to prevent the strike. We are currently working at full speed on a special flight plan for Thursday and Friday which will be published on Wednesday. We apologize for any inconvenience that may arise.
Please check this website regularly, leave your mobile number in your Miles & More profile or in your booking and you will automatically be informed about the latest changes.
Your flight has not yet been cancelled, but you still want to change to another day or the train?
In order to give you planning security, we now offer you a free rebooking in the following cases
If you are booked on a domestic Lufthansa flight, we offer you a free exchange of your flight route for a train ticket on this page.
If and when a particular strike begins and flights are actually beginning to be cancelled/automatically rebooked, you can call or use facebook messenger ( https://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/chatbot ) and ask for a rebooking/rerouting. If your ticket was issued by a travel agent or different airline, you are advised to contact the issuing office.
LH usually rebooks to other LH Group carriers, any star alliance carrier or other IATA airline it has an interline agreement with. The preference to do so is in the same order and done only if the preferred alternative doesn't have any free seats in the class of service (not booking class). Award bookings are treated the same way, although you may be requested to contact the issuing carrier for reissuing the ticket. LH issued tickets are usually reissued using the ATC irreg system. Because of the ATC in place, any travel agent who originally issued the tickets can rebook using the rules and reissue the tickets automatically without any intervention required by Lufthansa.
Details of the LH irreg invol rebooking policy is here: https://aviacenter.ru/en/news/2019/04/29/lufthansa-group-airlines.-flight-irregularities-policy-(in-case-of-schedule-changes)/
More details on irreg procedures here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/lufth...interview.html
LH advises you what do in case of irreg cancellations here: https://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/flight-disruptions
Information on the announced strike of UFO
UFO has called on its cabin crew members for a two-day strike on 7 and 8 November. Lufthansa condemns the UFO's call for a strike in the strongest possible terms and is considering legal steps to prevent the strike. We are currently working at full speed on a special flight plan for Thursday and Friday which will be published on Wednesday. We apologize for any inconvenience that may arise.
Please check this website regularly, leave your mobile number in your Miles & More profile or in your booking and you will automatically be informed about the latest changes.
Your flight has not yet been cancelled, but you still want to change to another day or the train?
In order to give you planning security, we now offer you a free rebooking in the following cases
- You are booked on a Lufthansa Group flight to and from Frankfurt or Munich with departure on 7 or 8 November.
- Your ticket was issued on and before 4 November.
If you are booked on a domestic Lufthansa flight, we offer you a free exchange of your flight route for a train ticket on this page.
If and when a particular strike begins and flights are actually beginning to be cancelled/automatically rebooked, you can call or use facebook messenger ( https://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/chatbot ) and ask for a rebooking/rerouting. If your ticket was issued by a travel agent or different airline, you are advised to contact the issuing office.
LH usually rebooks to other LH Group carriers, any star alliance carrier or other IATA airline it has an interline agreement with. The preference to do so is in the same order and done only if the preferred alternative doesn't have any free seats in the class of service (not booking class). Award bookings are treated the same way, although you may be requested to contact the issuing carrier for reissuing the ticket. LH issued tickets are usually reissued using the ATC irreg system. Because of the ATC in place, any travel agent who originally issued the tickets can rebook using the rules and reissue the tickets automatically without any intervention required by Lufthansa.
Details of the LH irreg invol rebooking policy is here: https://aviacenter.ru/en/news/2019/04/29/lufthansa-group-airlines.-flight-irregularities-policy-(in-case-of-schedule-changes)/
More details on irreg procedures here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/lufth...interview.html
UFO FA Strike [at EW/4U/CL/SXD on 20OCT19, LH 7-8NOV19 & 4U 30DEC-1JAN20]
Jun 20, 2019, 2:52 pm
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UFO FA Strike [at EW/4U/CL/SXD on 20OCT19, LH 7-8NOV19 & 4U 30DEC-1JAN20]
https://amp.dw.com/en/lufthansa-cabi...uly/a-49274768
should this happen, what would Lufthansa do?
1. refund money?
2. Book us on another airline?
Flying business. Sfo/muc mid july for cruise.
Would they be more likely to fly long routes with other personnel or would the whole thing be shut down leaving us on our own yo find flights?
should this happen, what would Lufthansa do?
1. refund money?
2. Book us on another airline?
Flying business. Sfo/muc mid july for cruise.
Would they be more likely to fly long routes with other personnel or would the whole thing be shut down leaving us on our own yo find flights?
Jun 20, 2019, 3:10 pm
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https://amp.dw.com/en/lufthansa-cabi...uly/a-49274768
should this happen, what would Lufthansa do?
1. refund money?
2. Book us on another airline?
Flying business. Sfo/muc mid july for cruise.
Would they be more likely to fly long routes with other personnel or would the whole thing be shut down leaving us on our own yo find flights?
should this happen, what would Lufthansa do?
1. refund money?
2. Book us on another airline?
Flying business. Sfo/muc mid july for cruise.
Would they be more likely to fly long routes with other personnel or would the whole thing be shut down leaving us on our own yo find flights?
Jun 21, 2019, 6:32 am
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should this happen, what would Lufthansa do?
1. refund money?
2. Book us on another airline?
1. refund money?
2. Book us on another airline?
Hence, you as passenger may choose between a full refund, a free reroute at the earliest possible time, a free reroute at an own preferred time (could be far in the future).
Article 8 rights exists regardless of the cause of the cancellation or period of notification.
Jun 21, 2019, 4:46 pm
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Will they rebook in Business?
EC261/2004 article 8 applies:
Hence, you as passenger may choose between a full refund, a free reroute at the earliest possible time, a free reroute at an own preferred time (could be far in the future).
Article 8 rights exists regardless of the cause of the cancellation or period of notification.
Hence, you as passenger may choose between a full refund, a free reroute at the earliest possible time, a free reroute at an own preferred time (could be far in the future).
Article 8 rights exists regardless of the cause of the cancellation or period of notification.
Jun 22, 2019, 5:57 am
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Jun 22, 2019, 3:47 pm
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Eurowings/Germanwings not before mid/end July, Lufthansa mainline probably not before August.
Anyhow, for once i can see LH has good chance they will stop the strike action before the courts. UFO (the union) unilateral canceled the last framework contract after some internal scandal and disputes where the whole leadership needed to resign. The new interim union leaders thought it would be a good idea to put Germanwings and LH under pressure now and took a bold move by terminating the current framework contract and then calling for strike action. Probably to win favors with the union base and get elected as leadership team when those elections are due.
LH claims the current leadership team doesn’t have the authority to cancel contracts and renegotiate a deal. The union should get their act together and get back to normal formal process with setting up elections to nominate a new leadership, formulate demands for the next framework contract and then get back to the table to talk about it.
I’m usually not a big fan of Lufthansa management (not a fan of unions either...) but in this case, at least according to the information I got, I would side with lufthansa. Strike for higher salary is not supposed to be a tool for a interim leadership to win over the union base.
Jun 23, 2019, 2:44 pm
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as long as there is a valid collective bargaining agreement in place, a union cannot call for a strike - and any effort to do so would be stopped before labor court.
UFO tried to navigate this by terminating the current agreement ahead of time. Which LH did not acknowledge due to a) the unclear organizational setup of the union and b) it is not quite clear if terminating the contract ahead of time as lawful in the first place.
Oct 7, 2019, 4:31 am
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News (in German only):
https://www.airliners.de/ufo-lufthan...-oktober/52138
https://ufo-online.aero/images/theme..._Infoflyer.pdf
Key message is that UFO plans to hold strikes with all LH group airlines. Details will be announced on Oct 14.
https://www.airliners.de/ufo-lufthan...-oktober/52138
https://ufo-online.aero/images/theme..._Infoflyer.pdf
Key message is that UFO plans to hold strikes with all LH group airlines. Details will be announced on Oct 14.
Oct 7, 2019, 6:36 am
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UFO is a bit of a disarray after a few scandals this year. The FAs are now organised in three unions (UFO, verdi, IGL), UFO is trying to show strength. In Germany you can't strike unless the majority of union members vote to strike. Such a strike will take place 6 weeks after the vote. They can also call for flash strikes to gather support for the vote, but UFO needs the required support for that.
Oct 8, 2019, 8:15 am
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I am a reader of posts, etc, but rarely post.
HOWEVER - in regards to this LH pending possible strike. We are on them later in October VCE - FRA. We then connect on to UA FRA DEN. Will LH give advance warning of the "FLASH STRIKES" or is it going to be a show up at the airport and 'surprise'??
Thanks for you advice!
HOWEVER - in regards to this LH pending possible strike. We are on them later in October VCE - FRA. We then connect on to UA FRA DEN. Will LH give advance warning of the "FLASH STRIKES" or is it going to be a show up at the airport and 'surprise'??
Thanks for you advice!
Oct 8, 2019, 8:53 am
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I am a reader of posts, etc, but rarely post.
HOWEVER - in regards to this LH pending possible strike. We are on them later in October VCE - FRA. We then connect on to UA FRA DEN. Will LH give advance warning of the "FLASH STRIKES" or is it going to be a show up at the airport and 'surprise'??
Thanks for you advice!
HOWEVER - in regards to this LH pending possible strike. We are on them later in October VCE - FRA. We then connect on to UA FRA DEN. Will LH give advance warning of the "FLASH STRIKES" or is it going to be a show up at the airport and 'surprise'??
Thanks for you advice!
Oct 13, 2019, 4:19 am
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UFO will announce their next steps on Monday afternoon. It seems they will go for select 'warnstreik' activity to show that they still have a sizeable following. They are annoyed that LH is talking to verdi as the FA union too.
A website has been setup with details: https://www.ufo-online.aero/de/themen/lhconcern.html
A website has been setup with details: https://www.ufo-online.aero/de/themen/lhconcern.html