If I recall, hotel and parking shuttle will use ITF West and Metro and municipal buses will use ITF East.

Rental car shuttles will be eliminated completely as the final stop of APM is the rental car center.

Parking Spot's beef is that the Sepulveda location is that it doesn't want to use ITF and back track. But tough luck I guess.

T1 will have direct access via current parking garage skyway to APM.

There is no such thing as Terminal 0, only T1 concourse 0, which of course is part of T1.

T9 will have its own APM station and direct curb access. It's in the T9 draft environmental documents.

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Here is the video I mentioned before on vehicle circulation


And the map showing how traffic from I-405 and I-105 will be funneled to the two ITF

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From 405 South, the exit at La Cienega will go straight into a new street (98th) that will lead to ITF East which is located at 98th/Aviation. From 405 North, the current off ramp to Century will be maintained but there will be a new prefered right turn at Century/Concourse Way (mid block between La Cienega and Aviation) that direct most people to use ITF East.


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From the I-105 tunnel and Sepulveda South, there is direct roadway to ITF West (New "A" St. and New "B" St.)

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ITF West is designed to handle drop off/pick up from Lincoln/Sepulveda/105, hotel shuttles, and long distance buses.

ITF East is designed to handle drop off/pickup from 405/La Cienega/Century, Metro rail and buses.

Thank you, good points. I didn’t mean to imply that LA Country would (try to) close independent parking garages. I was wondering if based on lower prices and/or convenience and/or better customer service (making reservations, less transit time between parking and terminal, etc.) might “encourage” the independent garages to discontinue operations and if so, if that’s part of the overall (perhaps unwritten) plan. That sounds like a PIA, a side effect of traffic reduction, hotel shuttle to ITF to APM, a whole new layer of getting between hotels and terminals, might take longer than the shuttle sitting in the terminal area traffic.

If using an independent parking facility would involve a shuttle to ITF West (where there are 4,300 parking spots) to the APM, seems that would involve a much longer transit time to the terminals than parking at ITF West. Seems that would drive (no pun intended) MUCH of the parking customers to the ITF parking facility, perhaps driving (some of) the independent parking facilities out of business.

4,300 new spots with 4,000 pre-existing (independent) spots is different than 4,300 new spots with 25,000 pre-existing (independent) spots, I don’t know what those numbers are.

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FYI, from today's BOAC meeting. Looks like MSC South is planned for completion by Q3 2024. It's completion will allow AA to close it's remote commuter terminal (The eAAgles Nest) and thereby clear the way for Terminal 9 construction.

Total travel time will likely be much shorter via APM than the current method. The EIR said APM will run 30 second peak headway and 2 minute off peak and the ride from TBIT station to ITF West will take about 5 minutes including 20 second dwell time at each station in between. You can easily wait 10 minutes now for the hotel shuttle to come and then to circle around all the terminals - It could take 20 min or more to get from T1 to T7.

The shuttle ride from ITF West to hotel and parking garages will vary depending on which location but with predictable arrival time of APM, most likely shuttles will be waiting for you rather than you waiting for the shuttle.

As for parking at ITF West vs. private garages... I think it's up to the private operators to demonstrate value proposition. If LAWA provides a better solution with seamless transfer and no additional shuttle ride, then what is the problem here? Parking Spot is free to charge less for the inconvenience of not being located next to APM station. That is already the case now... the further you go from LAX, the cheaper it is to park. It's not any different once APM opens.

The Future of LAX Newsletter - Q4 2021

APM and ConRAC construction updates with several photos from two points in time, January and December 2021, showing the progress made over the last year.

LAX Monthly Construction Update: January 2022

An interactive map that includes current construction projects can be found here.

A link is available for webcams that allow the public to see the ongoing work by clicking here.

Photo galleries are available here.

Construction of the APM guideway was completed a few weeks ago.

https://la.urbanize.city/post/concre...d-people-mover

https://www.dailynews.com/2022/04/20...pen-next-year/

Links to the latest construction photos: https://www.lawa.org/transforminglax...allery#toPhoto

Didn't realize this before but I guess made total sense... the APM terminal at the rental car center is actually at the roof top of the parking garage. No reason to build a separate terminal station.

I didn't realize they were that far along! It will be nice when the APM opens - the buses from the Economy Lot end up being at weird intervals - sometimes they'll all accumulate in the lot and then you have to wait a long time for one to show up at the terminals. And they're infrequent enough that by the time they get to 6 they can be pretty full. At the same time they'll have a bus to the LAXit lot every 30 seconds or so. One minor impact on people is that with buses doing all the terminal trips from the economy lot, the electric charging stations on the ground floor are extra appealing - they give you a discount and a short trip to the shuttle. It looks like there will be bridges to the people mover on the third floor, so that will become the prime spot.

Since the economy lot opened I've also been getting emails from the various private lots advertising much lower prices than in the fall. Depending on time of day and length of trip, the ones that are walkable from the terminals would still be very competitive, even if their shuttles have to pick up at ITF West.

DL opened the first 3 gates in the new T3. These are the gates attached to the "headhouse" portion of the building. The concourse part of the building is still under construction.




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I don't want to get too much into parking in this thread, but based on how full the CTA and Economy lots have been, I don't think the private parking garages will go away any time soon. My last time at LAX, not a holiday weekend, the Economy Lot was full except for the roof, and with the CTA parking I've had a few trips where you had to show your paper reservation to a person to even be able to turn into the driveways for those lots. Pricing for the private lots is down a little from what they could get with no economy lot available, but they're not feeling enough pressure to undercut the 2+ week advance booking price for the economy lot, but are competitive for close-in reservations.

Once the APM opens, the time from parking to terminal or back will probably be shorter than it is now for the private shuttles that have to use the high traffic lanes and many of the private lots offer various perks that you don't get with the LAWA lots.

Gates 40, 46B, 46C, 48A, 48B, 49A and 49B in Terminal 4 are closed for construction. There is a temporary wall extending all the way from Gate 46A to 47B.

First $106M of funds for MSC South construction approved yesterday. Targeting to open the 8 gate extension by end of Q2 2025. Completion of MSC South will enable American to close the egAAle's Nest remote terminal which will thereby enable construction to start on Terminal 9 with completion targeted for just prior to 2028 Olympics.


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What does "MSC South" stand for?
A Google search shows "MSC South" it to be a homeless shelter in San Francisco.

Any guesses?

Midfield Satellite Concourse

Are there any plans to relocate the American Airlines hangar? It blocks several gates at the southwestern end of the existing West Gates at Tom Bradley International Terminal concourse.

Not currently. Under the original MSC South plan, the MSC North would have been extended directly to the south and the concourse would have been basically a mirror, although slightly shorter, of MSC North. That plan required American to relocate its high bay hanger (and LAWA to pay for the relocation).

Due to cost constraints, in 2019 LAWA scrapped the original plan and in its place decided on a much less expensive MSC South "plan B" which will keep costs down by only adding 8 Group III (B737 and A320) aircraft gates for domestic departures. Because the MSC North was built with the original plan in mind, the new MSC South concourse now has that awkward left hand turn before heading south precisely because it has to avoid the American high bay hanger area (which LAWA will no longer have to pay to move). The MSC South concourse will also be lower to the ground than the MSC North terminal because it will not need the separate "sterile" levels for International arrivals.

When LAWA originally announced this revised MSC South plan in 2019 it was widely described as a "temporary" solution with the idea that at some point in the future they would tear down the "temporary" concourse and replace it with a originally intended MSC North-like concourse. If that ever comes to pass, at that point they will tear down the American high-bay hanger. However with the progress on Terminal 9, which supposedly is going to get final approval sometime this year, it seems likely that the MSC South concourse will now be as permanent addition as any other concourse at LAX.

It will be interesting to see what airlines(s) actually end up using MSC South. Under the original plan, American was to temporarily relocate their EAAgles Nest Regional Jet operation to MSC South which would in turn free up the space for Terminal 9 to begin construction. With MSC South now scheduled for Q2 2025 completion (a 9 month schedule slip since last Sept) and Terminal 9 construction potentially starting next year, it would seem like American will have to find another home for their regional jet operation (and it won't be in terminal 4 because that will be under construction until 2026). My guess is that Spirit may ultimately move to MSC South as it that would free up all of Terminal 5 for American and they could then re-gate the east side of terminal 5 to support their regional jets with maybe only the loss of 1 or 2 effective gates.

I hate, absolutely hate, this new concourse. I had a Hawaiian Airlines flight depart from here, and the walk over was way too long and unnecessary.

From the LAX August Monthly Construction and Modernization Highlights email:

Maybe a good time to point out that LAWA officially retired "Terminal 2" from its interactive map. It will slowly remove other signage and maps showing refences to "Terminal 2".

It is Terminal 3 which has two concourses - one of them being the former T2. The North side will go from T1 to T3 and then TBIT.

I imagine once AA is done with its T4 and T5 rebuild, it will similarly be rebranded as a single terminal with two concourses.

LAX Map

first wagon arrived..

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they really should change the spin on this from "future of transportation" to "we have cable" or smth equally humble.. it took 20 years of planning not because of some groundbreaking features...:rolleyes:

With MSC South not being built for wide bodies, sounds like the international bus gates are now going to be around indefinitely then. :(

Might Terminal 9 provide the international wide body capacity that is being lost by building MSC South for narrowbodies?

No. That will be UA's terminal.

David

I thought the plan was for all the *A carriers to move to T9 as well.

LAWA can propose the move and it seems logical but ultimately it is up to the likes of LH, OZ, NH, BR, NZ to decide if they want to do it. The issue is LAX is mostly O&D station for for foreign airlines. They don't rely on onward connection on UA to fill their flights so some will probably opt to stay in TBIT.

T9 is supposed to have 12 widebody gates or 18 narrow body gates. It's big enough to probably host the entire UA LAX ops which will free up T7 and 8. Or if LAWA keeps T9 as shared use like TBIT, then it will have plenty of capacity to handle all the *A carriers.

LAX speeds up electric ambitions with 1,300 new EV chargers

What they don't mention in the press release is 75% of these charger spots are occupied by non-EVs and there is zero enforcement to tow or cite those cars and trucks.

75%? Do you have a source for that figure? That does not match my observation in the economy parking structure last month (I drive a PHEV and reserved and used a spot with a level 2 charger).

The last 3 times I've been in the garage myself, driving around and looking for a parking spot with with a charger - I lost count of how many pickup trucks and SUVs were jammed into those spots. No enforcement at all - no towing, no tickets. If they won't enforce the parking rules, what's the purpose of putting in the chargers?

Are those the chargers that were still bagged over because they weren't hooked up yet? They installed the mechanical bits long before they wired them, and there was no enforcement while they were bagged over. Even this past weekend it looked like many of the first floor chargers were still not activated yet. They have a Dalek patrolling the garage now - presumably it will exterminate any non-EV users in EV spots in the future.

The bagged ones were months ago, but there arevonly a few of those now. I actually tricked a bagged charger to charge my car for free before they enabled to paid-charging application last winter.

I don't think the non-EV users will avoid the EV spots until they return from the trip and find either their car is missing and in the tow pound, or has a $500 citation slapped on the windshield - or easier, just add the $500 fine to their parking fee via the license plate reader so they need to pay it to exit the garage.

Those garages are frequently filled to near capacity, especially now with the construction and the fact that they are prebooking them online. Are you suggesting that someone who does not own an electric car should not be allowed to park in the garage if the only open spots all have chargers?

Correct - that's exactly what I am saying. Those spots should be reserved exclusively for electric cars, some of which may enter the garage without a reservation. Furthermore, some EV owners are reserving these spots, only to find out the spot they reserved is unavailable because too many are blocked by non-EV vehicles. The chargers were put in the garage for that purpose, and the signage on their exclusive use is clearly posted - what's missing are the enforcement and penalties.

Heard on the news: road closures 11pm-8am starting Sep 26 2022


REMINDER: Overnight road closures at the Tom Bradley International Terminal will cause traffic impacts.
Plan ahead, arrive early, and listen to traffic officer instructions. https://t.co/FU0wcOApuQ
— LAX Airport (@flyLAXairport)

It's now 2023. The guideway has been complete since May and cars started arriving in August. Do we have any kind of firm date for the opening of the APM? It seems to always be presented as "by 2023".

This is from an L.A. Times article that ran in the paper Sunday (link to the full article):

I missed that article. It sounds like they're not going to open the APM until they have the CONRAC/ITF-East fully open, too. Earlier it sounded like they'd start running the APM to the Economy Lot & Transit Center before they completed ITF-East. Kind of disappointing, because buses can still get stuck in traffic outside the U, even if they have the express lane inside.

That's the roadway from T6 to T2. I don't think I've ever used that direction.