Originally Posted by josephstern (Post 36464124)

Is there some "explain it like I'm 5" overview of why this tram is almost complete but due to some labor action, we can't use it for another 16 months?

In 16 months, a lot of traffic, noise, and air pollution will be generated. And if this labor dispute is projected to be dealt with by Jan of 2026, why can't we bring that date forward?

I'm sure there are valid reasons, but the bit I know just doesn't add up.

Originally Posted by Craig6z (Post 36464177)

While labor union demands had some bearing along with lawsuits/liens from contractors, ultimately the project was way overbudget, and the City of Los Angeles had to go through the process of voting to allocate a lot of extra money. The City of Los Angeles Government structure is very bloated and bureaucratic, requiring committee hearings and interim vote approval (Trade, Travel and Tourism Committee plus the Los Angeles Board of Airport Commissions), before it can be formalized by the 15-member City Council. The City back in April expected a $475 million overall budget deficit for the fiscal year starting July 1, 2024. Me thinks the $400 million to finish the tram, probably was not fully baked into the negative $475 million.

Originally Posted by LIH_LAX (Post 36466661)

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Work has slowed on the project since 2021, but that's because the APM developer has run out of money, not because of any major disputes between them (or LAWA) and labor.
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Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 36466717)

Don't forget negligent incompetence.

Maybe the train will be ready for the next time LA hosts the Olympics.

Originally Posted by LIH_LAX (Post 36466999)

That too -- if you look at the construction webcam on the LAWA website, there are a few spots where the people mover guideway was clearly built out of alignment with the columns. How you mess that up with as many checks and reviews as would happen on a project of this scale is beyond me.

Originally Posted by bzcat (Post 36463531)

5 min will be extremely long head way for airport shuttle. For LAX, I think they should aim for 60 seconds peak and 180 seconds off peak.

I think they have purchased enough train cars to run 4-cars at peak but we will see. This APM line will have extremely high ridership from day 1.

Originally Posted by lrdpenn (Post 36463647)

LAX is probably the airport with the longest passenger operating hours in the US. It's almost silly to separate "peak" vs "non-peak" given the APM needs to serve arriving and departing passengers (it will connect to metro, consolidated rental car, passenger dropoff/pickup, etc.) The only quiet hours at LAX are like 130am to 430am. Their current "peak" cutoff I think starts too late and ends too early.

Originally Posted by LIH_LAX (Post 36466999)

That too -- if you look at the construction webcam on the LAWA website, there are a few spots where the people mover guideway was clearly built out of alignment with the columns. How you mess that up with as many checks and reviews as would happen on a project of this scale is beyond me.

Originally Posted by chrisl137 (Post 36467506)

Everything I've seen so far has said 2 minute headway at peak hours, but without saying what those peak hours are.



"Peak" certainly runs at least til midnight. I get in at ~11pm pretty regularly and the airport is packed and they run insufficient buses out to the economy lot, so often they're full before they hit the south terminal complex. It got to where I have their phone number in my phone and just call as soon as a full bus blows past without an empty right behind it. They end up serving the south complex worse because people on the south side have to wait for a second bus to come (usually from the parking garage) and get all the way around. They should just be running twice as many buses, or run designated north and south complex buses from the structure whenever they're at peak.



The columns don't need to align with the guideway, they just need to transmit the load to the ground. It was built in an already fully developed area and "misaligned" columns are probably due to things that needed to be avoided on or under the ground.

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On Wednesday, Los Angeles World Airports announced that the final four train cars to be used on its People Mover track have arrived from their manufacturer in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

The system now includes 44 train cars, the first of which arrived more than two years ago.
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Wednesday’s announcement was a refreshing good piece of news for a project that has made headlines for being both delayed and over budget.

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Originally Posted by LIH_LAX (Post 36488020)

The new Terminal 4 headhouse and checkpoint are expected to open in November, and Concourse Zero is further delayed

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Originally Posted by LIH_LAX (Post 36488020)

The new Terminal 4 headhouse and checkpoint are expected to open in Novembe

Originally Posted by lrdpenn (Post 36488303)

Wow, does that mean the combined T4/T5 checkin & security setup starts in November?

Originally Posted by bzcat (Post 36506395)

We still have MSC South coming online soon so LAX is not in danger of running out of gates.

Originally Posted by LIH_LAX (Post 36504160)

Per today's LAWA board meeting,T9 and C0 are indefinitely delayed.
Reason given is that demand hasn't rebounded as much as expected. Makes sense, I landed at T1 at 8pm a few weeks ago and the place was an absolute ghost town. Only one or two concessions still open and a handful of flights left on the board. Don't see how WN could fill up C0, and think the situation is similar for other carriers as well.

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“We previously expected 110 million passengers in 2028. We now expect slightly more than 90 million,” Los Angeles World Airports Chief Executive John Ackerman said. “While our traffic’s improving, it’s not improving at the rate that we need it to be successful. So we simply don’t need additional capacity at this point. We don’t need additional terminals — we need to fix our core infrastructure.”

Passenger counts have steadily gone up at LAX but still haven’t reached prepandemic levels. More than 75 million passengers traveled through LAX in 2023. By comparison, the airport saw more than 88 million passengers in 2019.
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Among the scrapped goals is a multibillion-dollar plan to build another terminal and develop a new concourse branching from Terminal 1. The project, which would have added more than 12 gates, was already behind schedule, with construction initially supposed to start in 2022 and wrap ahead of the 2028 Olympics. Ackerman said those projects will get built if and when demand supports their need.
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Christensen also addressed design plans to reconfigure access to the airport by adding ramps from Sepulveda Boulevard around the Hyatt Regency to 1 World Way with the hope of improving traffic flow. The goal would be for the bulk of that project to be done by the 2028 Olympics, but it would probably not be completed until later; details have not been finalized.

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Originally Posted by BillBurn (Post 36488361)

Interesting. I just went by the Terminal 4 Concourse today and Phase 1 looks pretty far along. Apon complete and jetways fully installed. Not sure if it will open it at the same time they open the headhouse or eariler but it looks like it will be finished before then. The revised schedule in 2022 was to complete Phase one by end of 1H 2024, so I guess it will end up being a few months behind schedule.


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Originally Posted by BillBurn (Post 36601234)

MSC South pre-fab sections are being moved on-site this month. 1st section moved on night of October 3rd and all of them will be in place by end of October. This bodes well for staying on current schedule of opening MSC South by end of 2025.

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...MSC South, an eight-gate, two-story, approximately 150,000-square-feet addition to LAX.
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LAX’s MSC South Concourse features first-of-its-kind innovation with Offsite Construction and Relocation, a technique that enables flexible future usability. The concourse’s structure is grounded in sustainable practices and designed for Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) Silver certification.

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The Midfield Satellite Concourse (MSC) South project will extend the West Gates at Tom Bradley International Terminal with a southern wing, adding approximately 146,000 square feet and eight gates for narrowbody aircraft.

Utilizing a construction technique called Offsite Construction and Relocation (OCR), MSC South was built in nine segments at a location roughly a mile and a half away from the project’s site on the airfield, which will then be carefully delivered and assembled in place south of the West Gates. The OCR technique is both innovative and adaptive, saving public funds and time with a high degree of building control and supervision. Photos and video of the relocation phase are available for viewing here.

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But now that elusive air-rail link is almost here. After the long-awaited Automated People Mover train opens in 2026, it will connect LAX to the Metro rail system from the K Line and the C Line.
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Once running, Metro riders will be able to board the people mover at the upcoming LAX/Metro Transit Center Station at Aviation Boulevard and 96th Street directly from the K Line or C Line, formerly known as the Green Line. That route will change for the first time since it opened in 1995 — instead of heading south from El Segundo, the C Line will curve upward and end at the transit center and the K Line will run on the tracks that extend to Redondo Beach.
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Someone traveling from downtown to LAX will have two ways — the A Line to the C Line or the E Line to the K Line — to get to the transit center, where they’d board a people mover train upstairs to the terminals. Residents in places such as Redondo Beach, Norwalk, Leimert Park and Inglewood will be able to make it to LAX on one Metro train, while those in Long Beach, Santa Monica, Pasadena, Azusa and East L.A. will need to take two. LAX to Hollywood or Universal Studios would take three trains.
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In the 1990s, Metro’s then-Green Line was expected to offer a direct connection to LAX but ended two miles short of the terminals. At its closest, it’s less than 900 yards from the runways. Airport officials were reportedly concerned over potential lost parking profits if travelers had a Metro option. According to media reports in 1990, LAX officials raised the cost of parking to bring in more parking revenue, which helped lower the cost of landing fees for airlines.

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Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 36621482)

Los Angeles Times:

Originally Posted by Eastbay1K (Post 36621655)

Wow. So LAX to the East SFV will be a "Peoplemover" rail line plus three additional rail lines, and to the Central / West SFV will be that plus a BRT transfer. Holy mother of "I'm never taking that." Jamais jamais, ne dis jamais jamais, but methinks me really thinks it will be a "never."

Originally Posted by dhuey (Post 36624008)

When they finally have a rail connection from the terminals to the rental car center, we'll give it a shot. My in-laws are in Manhattan Beach, so very close to LAX. But the LAX rental car experience experience...

1) Go out to skinny traffic island.
2) Wait for your rental car company's shuttle bus.
3) Wait longer for the bus.
4) I think I see the bus.
5) No, that's a different company's bus.
6) On the bus.
7) Loading everyone and their luggage takes five minutes.
8) Bus crawls through the horseshoe, stopping to pick up and drop off passengers several times.
9) Bus heads to the rental car center.
10) In your rental car, having spent more time between your arrival gate and the car than up in the air.

...has pushed us to use Long Beach.

Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 34299019)

Gates 40, 46B, 46C, 48A, 48B, 49A and 49B in Terminal 4 are closed for construction. There is a temporary wall extending all the way from Gate 46A to 47B.

Originally Posted by BillBurn (Post 36654338)

Rode past the MSC South site last week. They have completed rolling out the prefab sections, looks like they are still on track to be finished by end of 2025.

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Originally Posted by LovePrunes (Post 36654465)

its ashame they didn't have the funds to continue with the cool architectural design of TBIT midfield for this new section...but at least they have more gates, even if the style of all this new construction is a hodgepodge of elements.

Originally Posted by hsumh316 (Post 36630599)

This is now done. Opened on October 23.

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Originally Posted by NilesStandish (Post 36707196)

Are these the new gates that were under construction?

Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 36642589)

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Originally Posted by HL8210 (Post 36115785)

A few additional renderings of T9 taken from last year's industry showcase.


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Originally Posted by 757CO (Post 36782543)

Any sense of square footage for the lounge spaces? Curious if *A decides to shut down TBIT lounge and (re)open in T9.