Skypass Program Changes
#91


Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: SPG Gold, Hyatt Plat, Fairmont Premier
Posts: 201
Major Updates
※ The new program will be introduced and implemented as of April 1, 2020. However, after a 12-month grace period, the changes in mileage accrual and redemption will be enforced as of April 1, 2021 and the changes in elite program will be enforced as of February 1, 2022 respectively.
Your award has to be ticketed by April 1, 2021. Aka you are correct you can make a reservation in March 2021 with old rates.
- “Cash and miles” payment option for flight tickets to be introduced for a test-run period from November 2020.
- More reasonable mileage accrual and redemption rates based on airfare and flight distance to be implemented from April 2021.
- More inclusive elite membership program with four membership levels and lower qualification requirements to be introduced from February 2022.
※ The new program will be introduced and implemented as of April 1, 2020. However, after a 12-month grace period, the changes in mileage accrual and redemption will be enforced as of April 1, 2021 and the changes in elite program will be enforced as of February 1, 2022 respectively.
Your award has to be ticketed by April 1, 2021. Aka you are correct you can make a reservation in March 2021 with old rates.
#92

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Southern California
Programs: AA Exec Plat, UA Gold, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Gold, National Exec, Hertz Pres
Posts: 212
If I book a ticket before 4/1/21 under the existing award chart for a flight in late 2021 or early 2022, would any changes to that ticket (made after 4/1/21) be subject to re-pricing under the new award chart? I’m assuming that the ticket would still be governed under the ticketing rules at the time of booking (only a cash charge of 30,000 KRW for any changes), but just want to make sure I don’t get stuck with the unpleasant surprise of needing more miles for the same itinerary.
#93
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Gangnam-gu, Seoul, Korea
Programs: KE Skypass Morning Calm Member, OZ Club
Posts: 2,381
That's what I would expect as well. So what I would do is - book now as far out as you can. Then in April, judging by Corona situation which probably won't even be any better - re-book as far out as you can again.
#94


Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: SPG Gold, Hyatt Plat, Fairmont Premier
Posts: 201
Thanks for the responses. According to this post from Fly with Moxie (and Google Translate), it appears that you would be able to preserve pre-devaluation pricing for the return segment of a roundtrip award ticket (if you had to change it after April 2021), but that's not necessarily the case for one-way award tickets. It appears that you might be able to keep a one-way award ticket at the old pricing if you are just rescheduling dates, but any reissuance of the ticket post-April would fall under the new award chart.
I wish Korean Air would postpone these changes altogether with COVID-19 still raging on throughout the world and its impending merger with Asiana!
I wish Korean Air would postpone these changes altogether with COVID-19 still raging on throughout the world and its impending merger with Asiana!
#95
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: PAR, TYO, SEL, SIN, SYD
Programs: AF/KLM Platinum Ultimate, VA Velocity Platinum, ALL Platinum
Posts: 728
And with F inventory blocked until EOY its really not helping.
But for them, they really have no incentive to delay this. They have their captive audience, they're about to get a whole lot more from OZ. Of course, some will be lost along the way bit the savings for them must greatly outweigh the costs unfortunately.
But for them, they really have no incentive to delay this. They have their captive audience, they're about to get a whole lot more from OZ. Of course, some will be lost along the way bit the savings for them must greatly outweigh the costs unfortunately.
#96



Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 136
#97




Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 2,018
I checked (award tickets only) JFK -ICN, ORD - ICN, ATL-ICN (and vice versa) for the entire month of Nov. 2021, and a few dates in October 2021. Not a single F award seat available. Either you get the "no seats available" or "first not offered". J seats, yes.
I did not check cash bookings or other routes or round trips.
#98



Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 136
This may be certain routes?
I checked (award tickets only) JFK -ICN, ORD - ICN, ATL-ICN (and vice versa) for the entire month of Nov. 2021, and a few dates in October 2021. Not a single F award seat available. Either you get the "no seats available" or "first not offered". J seats, yes.
I did not check cash bookings or other routes or round trips.
I checked (award tickets only) JFK -ICN, ORD - ICN, ATL-ICN (and vice versa) for the entire month of Nov. 2021, and a few dates in October 2021. Not a single F award seat available. Either you get the "no seats available" or "first not offered". J seats, yes.
I did not check cash bookings or other routes or round trips.
There was a statement on the website which pointed this out, but I can't find it anymore.
#99


Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: SPG Gold, Hyatt Plat, Fairmont Premier
Posts: 201
Do we know what KE plans on doing with F cabins for planes that are operating them but don't have F fares for sale (77W)? Run them empty or upgrade elite members (with Prestige-level service)? I'm assuming that it's more likely an equipment swap will happen to a plane with no F in them, but just curious how they will plan on dealing with that? I'm looking at SFO-ICN and they will have 77Ws operating later this year (November), but no First Class is available and I'd bet they'd just revert to 787-9 if First Class and overall ticket sales don't return closer to normal by then.
As Digicola said, I think KE will just run out the clock on this. If F cabins are reinstated to more destinations beyond LAX or JFK, they can just open them up for award inventory post-devaluation after April, while the rest of us who are trying to book at pre-devaluation rates will be out of luck.
As Digicola said, I think KE will just run out the clock on this. If F cabins are reinstated to more destinations beyond LAX or JFK, they can just open them up for award inventory post-devaluation after April, while the rest of us who are trying to book at pre-devaluation rates will be out of luck.
#100


Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: SPG Gold, Hyatt Plat, Fairmont Premier
Posts: 201
Chosun Ilbo just reported that KE will delay the devaluation! They did not announce a new timeline, but it appears that enough Skypass members complained about the major program change happening during the middle of the pandemic.
https://flywithmoxie.com/2021/01/05/...m-devaluation/
https://flywithmoxie.com/2021/01/05/...m-devaluation/
#101




Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Kobe, Japan
Programs: Bonvoy Titanium, IHG Diamond., Hyatt Disc., Choice Plat., UA Silver/KE/AK/DL
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Chosun Ilbo just reported that KE will delay the devaluation! They did not announce a new timeline, but it appears that enough Skypass members complained about the major program change happening during the middle of the pandemic.
https://flywithmoxie.com/2021/01/05/...m-devaluation/
https://flywithmoxie.com/2021/01/05/...m-devaluation/
#102


Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: SPG Gold, Hyatt Plat, Fairmont Premier
Posts: 201
Two more timing changes - the change in elite qualifications will be delayed until Feb 2024, and expiring mileage balances in 2021 will be extended one year into 2022.
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#103
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: PAR, TYO, SEL, SIN, SYD
Programs: AF/KLM Platinum Ultimate, VA Velocity Platinum, ALL Platinum
Posts: 728
Genuinely surprised by this news. I'm glad we're finally getting some good news. I was hoping to get in one last return trip between Singapore and Korea/Japan in F, this might be enough to make that come true.

