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Ditto Dec 14, 2020 9:32 am


Originally Posted by hugolover (Post 32885150)
Schools shut soon anyway, there's only really non-food shops left and a few empty museums I wonder if they will ban F&B for hotels as well

Hotels F&B ban is also part of the rumours, and it will be in effect until 19th of Jan, so school holidays will be 4 weeks instead of 2.
Quite honestly considering wearing of masks is already mandatory in shops, and each shop have a maximum capacity I really wonder how much closing them down will help, at the same news article I read with the rumours it has been said last week alone the police had to shut down 50 illegal parties...

hugolover Dec 14, 2020 11:21 am

I see all F&B forbidden INCLUDING room service? Have I misheard? That makes it Europe's most strict hotel lockdown, beating Austria, Germany etc.

mpkz Dec 14, 2020 11:40 am


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 32885053)
Why?

To discourage people from doing it

Ditto Dec 14, 2020 11:55 am


Originally Posted by mpkz (Post 32885481)
To discourage people from doing it

And the question still remains... why?
If they would have really found it so important to have those PAX tested they could have reintroduced some sort of checks for Schengen flights too, clearly it's just not that important.

Ditto Dec 14, 2020 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by hugolover (Post 32885440)
I see all F&B forbidden INCLUDING room service? Have I misheard? That makes it Europe's most strict hotel lockdown, beating Austria, Germany etc.

I didn't listen to it (it conflicted with the one in ZA) but I suppose this will mostly apply to Hotel restaurants, apparently booking a room for a night has become somewhat of a trend ;)
The details should be uploaded to the government site soon... however it is currently down

mfkne Dec 14, 2020 12:36 pm

Room service is also forbidden.

Ditto Dec 14, 2020 1:03 pm


Originally Posted by mfkne (Post 32885613)
Room service is also forbidden.

Indeed, although I don't see how one spreads COVID while eating in their own room, I wonder if "takeaways" to the room will be allowed? Or do they expect PAX to buy a sandwich in the nearest AH or perhaps order from Ubereats?
The full details (for those of you lucky enough to be able to read Dutch AND load the government website) https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwe...-tegen-te-gaan

Ardecos Dec 14, 2020 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 32885668)
Indeed, although I don't see how one spreads COVID while eating in their own room, I wonder if "takeaways" to the room will be allowed? Or do they expect PAX to buy a sandwich in the nearest AH or perhaps order from Ubereats?
The full details (for those of you lucky enough to be able to read Dutch AND load the government website) https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwe...-tegen-te-gaan

I was in Montreal last month and there was no food service in the hotels at all, so it was a case of regular visits to the supermarkets and getting takeaways from the cafes and restaurants. Just make sure that you're in a hotel in a fairly central location.

mpkz Dec 14, 2020 3:43 pm


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 32885514)
And the question still remains... why?
If they would have really found it so important to have those PAX tested they could have reintroduced some sort of checks for Schengen flights too, clearly it's just not that important.

Because you do not all of a sudden become a lower risk for COVID if you fly via Paris. Though I suspect the main aim is to discourage travel rather than stop the spread of the virus, in which case telling people that they can avoid the requirement by changing planes just brings business away from KLM.

The Dutch government has been horrible with COVID. Every minor bureaucratic obstacle is too large to tackle. In this case the lack of required testing for those from inside the Schengen area is likely to be driven by bureaucracy rather than a serious assessment of whether it's worth it or not. So they should have just not mentioned anything about it.

Ditto Dec 15, 2020 1:23 am


Originally Posted by mpkz (Post 32886000)
Because you do not all of a sudden become a lower risk for COVID if you fly via Paris. Though I suspect the main aim is to discourage travel rather than stop the spread of the virus, in which case telling people that they can avoid the requirement by changing planes just brings business away from KLM.

The Dutch government has been horrible with COVID. Every minor bureaucratic obstacle is too large to tackle. In this case the lack of required testing for those from inside the Schengen area is likely to be driven by bureaucracy rather than a serious assessment of whether it's worth it or not. So they should have just not mentioned anything about it.

You also don't all of a sudden become a higher risk because you don't have EU/Schengen citizenship/residence, but apparently they can't force the latter to have a negative COVID test and neither can they force them not to travel.
It's a bit like the face mask charade, it took them ~7 months to do what almost every other (EU) country have already done in May, so IMO if they deem travel to be so risky these days they should make the relevant legislation to treat everyone equally, either you need a negative COVID test upon arrival from a certain country or you don't, either quarantine is mandatory or don't do it at all.

mfkne Dec 15, 2020 4:23 am

Except EU citizens can't be denied entry into the EU.

Ditto Dec 15, 2020 5:54 am


Originally Posted by mfkne (Post 32886963)
Except EU citizens can't be denied entry into the EU.

Indeed, but they can (presumably) require them to either test or stay in mandatory quarantine instead.

arjen05 Dec 15, 2020 7:21 am

Currently staying in a hotel around Schiphol, room service is indeed forbidden, but breakfast and other meals are now delivered as takeaway in hotel restaurants. This means you cannot eat breakfast in the restaurant, nor can you have it delivered to your room, though you can walk down by yourself and pick up your order.

mfkne Dec 15, 2020 8:18 am


Originally Posted by Ditto (Post 32887083)
Indeed, but they can (presumably) require them to either test or stay in mandatory quarantine instead.

I don't know if there's any legal basis for making entry into the EU conditional for EU citizens (other having valid ID), and in NL there is just no legal basis for a mandatory quarantine.

Ditto Dec 15, 2020 8:25 am


Originally Posted by mfkne (Post 32887307)
I don't know if there's any legal basis for making entry into the EU conditional for EU citizens (other having valid ID), and in NL there is just no legal basis for a mandatory quarantine.

I'm not sure either, which is why I said test or mandatory quarantine.
And yes, indeed there is no legal basis for mandatory quarantine at the moment, same as there was no legal basis for wearing masks until 2 weeks ago, so if it's so important they should make it happen.


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