KL652 suddenly canceled. NO explanation.
Feb 10, 2019, 10:07 pm
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KL652 suddenly canceled. NO explanation.
As title states, SU1 and I were on DL9446 / KL652 on a KLM 789 IAD>AMS and just received the cancellation notice via text. No explanation. Was looking forward to flying J in their 789. Delta is working on an ATL>AMS flight in D1 for us so we can keep our AMS>NBO 1K / 4E hand-selected seats on a 744 (my first-ever 747 flight!).
Can't find any info on why the flight was cancelled -- weather, equipment, etc?
Can't find any info on why the flight was cancelled -- weather, equipment, etc?
Feb 10, 2019, 10:19 pm
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Looks like inbound from AMS (KL 651) was canceled. Flightradar24 is showing the frame as PH-BHP -- came in a few minutes late from SFO but no indication on EF about the issue with KL 651 (and of course 652 which can't fly with 651 canceled)
Feb 10, 2019, 11:27 pm
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Well... a significant outbound change was made. It unilaterally went from an all KLM IAD>AMS>NBO to now a mixed bag of DL8631 / AF55 77W IAD>CDG in Z and DL9159 KENYA Air 788 in J.
So, we go from all KLM 789/744 to AF/Kenya and I get my first-ever 747 flight yanked away.
I am Charlie Brown and DL/SkyTeam is Lucy with the football... yet again.
So, we go from all KLM 789/744 to AF/Kenya and I get my first-ever 747 flight yanked away.
I am Charlie Brown and DL/SkyTeam is Lucy with the football... yet again.
Feb 10, 2019, 11:45 pm
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Well... a significant outbound change was made. It unilaterally went from an all KLM IAD>AMS>NBO to now a mixed bag of DL8631 / AF55 77W IAD>CDG in Z and DL9159 KENYA Air 788 in J.
So, we go from all KLM 789/744 to AF/Kenya and I get my first-ever 747 flight yanked away.
I am Charlie Brown and DL/SkyTeam is Lucy with the football... yet again.
So, we go from all KLM 789/744 to AF/Kenya and I get my first-ever 747 flight yanked away.
I am Charlie Brown and DL/SkyTeam is Lucy with the football... yet again.
2) KLM should be paying you 600 EUR, which may help comfort the blow
Feb 11, 2019, 2:33 am
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Hold yiur horses on EU261 as this involves a cancellation there are various timescales that need to be met including if an earlier departure is involved as well as the difference between the actual and originally scheduled arrival times before EU261 kicks in. Also the OP would need to apply for it. kLM won’t just pay up.and of course the reason for the original cancellation is also important in determining if anything is due,
if you have been rebooked then that shows EU261 is working as the airline is doing all it can to minimise the delay.
if you have been rebooked then that shows EU261 is working as the airline is doing all it can to minimise the delay.
Feb 11, 2019, 3:54 am
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Feb 11, 2019, 3:55 am
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Well... a significant outbound change was made. It unilaterally went from an all KLM IAD>AMS>NBO to now a mixed bag of DL8631 / AF55 77W IAD>CDG in Z and DL9159 KENYA Air 788 in J.
So, we go from all KLM 789/744 to AF/Kenya and I get my first-ever 747 flight yanked away.
I am Charlie Brown and DL/SkyTeam is Lucy with the football... yet again.
So, we go from all KLM 789/744 to AF/Kenya and I get my first-ever 747 flight yanked away.
I am Charlie Brown and DL/SkyTeam is Lucy with the football... yet again.
Hold yiur horses on EU261 as this involves a cancellation there are various timescales that need to be met including if an earlier departure is involved as well as the difference between the actual and originally scheduled arrival times before EU261 kicks in. Also the OP would need to apply for it. kLM won’t just pay up.and of course the reason for the original cancellation is also important in determining if anything is due,
if you have been rebooked then that shows EU261 is working as the airline is doing all it can to minimise the delay.
if you have been rebooked then that shows EU261 is working as the airline is doing all it can to minimise the delay.
Feb 11, 2019, 3:57 am
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It is much harder for an operating carrier to claim extraordinary circumstances, if that circumstance doesn't affect the actual flight, but the cancellation results from a knock-on effect.
Wind in AMS in the winter time -> this is hardly an extraordinary circumstance.
Wind in AMS in the winter time -> this is hardly an extraordinary circumstance.
Feb 11, 2019, 4:02 am
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I mean this is the problem with AMS. There are tons of wind turbines everywhere, but somehow when the wind blows in winter at AMS you're led to believe its extraordinary.
Feb 11, 2019, 4:08 am
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If the outbound was delayed by weather (and it still counts as extraordinary even though it snows and is windy in Europe in February) then the inbound can still be covered by the EU261 exemption but a third flight involving that plane would so e.g the plane was due to fly
AMS - IAD
IAD - AMS
AMS - HKG
If the first flight was delayed by weather then the second would be excluded from EU261 but not the next flight to AMS to HKG
If the OP could supply the details of the original and replacement flight times then they would get more tailored advice.
AMS - IAD
IAD - AMS
AMS - HKG
If the first flight was delayed by weather then the second would be excluded from EU261 but not the next flight to AMS to HKG
If the OP could supply the details of the original and replacement flight times then they would get more tailored advice.
Feb 11, 2019, 4:11 am
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If the outbound was delayed by weather (and it still counts as extraordinary even though it snows and is windy in Europe in February) then the inbound can still be covered by the EU261 exemption but a third flight involving that plane would so e.g the plane was due to fly
AMS - IAD
IAD - AMS
AMS - HKG
If the first flight was delayed by weather then the second would be excluded from EU261 but not the next flight to AMS to HKG
If the OP could supply the details of the original and replacement flight times then they would get more tailored advice.
AMS - IAD
IAD - AMS
AMS - HKG
If the first flight was delayed by weather then the second would be excluded from EU261 but not the next flight to AMS to HKG
If the OP could supply the details of the original and replacement flight times then they would get more tailored advice.
Feb 11, 2019, 4:18 am
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What difference does GE vs RR engines make?
Feb 11, 2019, 4:24 am
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Significant restrictions have been placed on 787 aircraft using certain Rolls Royce engines due to parts wearing out early. Airlines stuck with Rolls Royce engines have had to park a number of their latest aircraft, and arrange leases to cover the shortfall.
For example: https://www.ft.com/content/972b4392-...4-c32129756dd8
Airlines have been claiming these engine problems are extraordinary circumstances.
For example: https://www.ft.com/content/972b4392-...4-c32129756dd8
British Airways has been forced to ground one of its new 787 Dreamliner planes at Heathrow airport for nearly a year because of problems with Rolls-Royce engines, in a sign of how the issue is affecting the world’s airlines. BA is among several airlines, including Virgin Atlantic, ANA and Norwegian Air Shuttle, which have been affected by issues on the Trent 1000 engines that power the 787 Dreamliner.