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Originally Posted by donjo
(Post 34672038)
Yes, relied on the tour guide and they failed to fulfill what they promised. They offered to refund me $1000 of the tour package for their mistake. The tour guide also informed me that I may be banned from the re-entering Japan for a period of time to be determined because of this error. I am waiting to hear how long that might be.
If so I would contact the local Japanese consulate or embassy and try to get the possible ban revoked. I would also send a detailed invoice with all your costs related to this aborted trip to the tour operator with a lawyers letter asking for full compensation. I don't have much expectation that they will react but its worth a try. |
Originally Posted by Ghoulish
(Post 34673422)
From what I've seen, the only way around a reentry sanction is with a "voluntary withdrawal" of attempting to entry the country. Again commonly offered in cases where the traveller wasn't attempting to violate the law but where discretion couldn't be exercised, like some minor criminal violation from long ago without the necessary exemption.
Given how poor the communication seems to have been during the incident, OP should explore whether their application to enter Japan was legally denied or whether they were considered to have voluntarily returned to the US after withdrawing their intention to enter Japan. |
Originally Posted by Ghoulish
(Post 34673444)
Do you have some admiration for the lack of reasonableness by the authorities who could have chosen to exercise some discretion with the requirement ending in a matter of hours?
A US immigration official would have done the exact same thing. |
Originally Posted by BRITINJAPAN4
(Post 34673440)
There was only one party responsible here, and that was the tour operator.
The tour guide operator could not have applied for the visa even if they wanted to, the best thing they could have done was advise about the next steps to take, and a quick internet search would have yielded the same result. At this point finger pointing is not really productive though, hopefully OP can get things sorted out and get back to Japan soon. |
Originally Posted by invalyd
(Post 34673489)
I am sorry about how this situation unfolded but the only responsible party is OP.
However, that doesn't absolve the authorities in whom the power of discretion lies to treat a guest making an honest mistake in the most brutal manner the law allows from criticism. Particularly when considering the totality of the circumstances. |
Originally Posted by invalyd
(Post 34673486)
No, generally I do not expect immigrations officials to ever "bend the rules" because of something that boils down to negligence on the traveler's part and especially not in Japan.
A US immigration official would have done the exact same thing. |
Originally Posted by JL41
(Post 34673497)
It's not about bending the rules. In many countries, the law gives immigration officers (the ones at supervisor level, anyway) a level of discretion. It can often be possible to grant probationary entry permission for a limited time. It certainly happens here in the UK. That said, I'm not familiar with the level of discretion Japanese officers are given.
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Originally Posted by Ghoulish
(Post 34673496)
No one is denying that it ultimately was in the OPs power to avoid this.
However, that doesn't absolve the authorities in whom the power of discretion lies to treat a guest making an honest mistake in the most brutal manner the law allows from criticism. Particularly when considering the totality of the circumstances. |
Originally Posted by Ghoulish
(Post 34673496)
No one is denying that it ultimately was in the OPs power to avoid this.
However, that doesn't absolve the authorities in whom the power of discretion lies to treat a guest making an honest mistake in the most brutal manner the law allows from criticism. Particularly when considering the totality of the circumstances. Now, while I do admit to finding Chicago “dragged through the garden” hot dogs and deep dish “pizza” to be abominations the mere thought of which makes me want to retch, it’s not brutality, I reckon. |
Originally Posted by JamesBigglesworth
(Post 34673189)
Usual period following deportation is 5 or 10 years, depending on the actual grounds they filed it all under. It will also automatically disqualify you from entering ~75 other countries under a visa waiver.
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Originally Posted by Steve M
(Post 34673587)
That's pretty harsh - it's a good thing the OP wasn't deported!
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Originally Posted by Steve M
(Post 34673587)
That's pretty harsh - it's a good thing the OP wasn't deported!
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Originally Posted by Ghoulish
(Post 34673496)
…However, that doesn't absolve the authorities in whom the power of discretion lies to treat a guest making an honest mistake in the most brutal manner the law allows from criticism. Particularly when considering the totality of the circumstances.
Doing their job?????? If everybody could expect discretion, then everyone would treat entry dates as approximate. I spent years dealing with visa for traveling employees and contractors in various countries. Discretion to void legal visa restrictions is not a prevalent as you seem to believe. There’s even a question if the OP had a legal visa. And you say the immigration official of Japan (or the USA, or whatever country) can just say “No problem, just go on in”. Seriously? There seems to be an undertone that “Japanese” are more difficult than other countries/races. That is 100% untrue. I’ve dealt with employees/contractors caught up in visa/entry problems worldwide. It’s not a “Japanese” thing - it’s a border thing. Until the traveler is allowed in, he/she is not a “guest” - he/she is a potential guest. Do you understand that until the traveler is actually let in by virtue of a valid visa, that person has NOT legally entered Japan? |
Originally Posted by Ghoulish
(Post 34672606)
During the bogus covid "reopening" with North Korea like minder requirements for tourists introduced a number of months ago.
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Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH
(Post 34673617)
And you say the immigration official of Japan (or the USA, or whatever country) can just say “No problem, just go on in”. Seriously?
I once read a UK foreign student who took the ferry to Ireland not knowing he needs a separate visa to enter Ireland. No one checked his visa before boarding the ferry. He was allowed in based on the good faith of the border officer, after he showed a one night hotel booking with ferry ticket coming back to UK the day after. |
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