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Danstar Mar 21, 2023 1:55 pm


Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer (Post 35098048)
It is not a given you have to do immigration between the two flights, it depends on the specific airlines in question, whether you have checked luggage, and probably a few other pieces of the puzzle. If you can put specific airlines to your proposed arrival flights, and departure flight, it would be easier to advice.

I will fly out from HND with EK313 and I was thinking about either taking the NH852 which has a scheduled arrival at 5:45 p.m. or the JL 98 which has a scheduled arrival at 6:30 p.m. - I already check that JL has a codeshare agreement with Emirates so for that reason they might be able to check through my luggage but on the other hand the flight arrives nearly one hour later which might lead to a quite thight window... I do have checked bagge so.. any suggestions on what would be better or if it is necessary to take the earlier flight? Thanks!

Danstar Mar 21, 2023 2:01 pm

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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer (Post 35098048)
It is not a given you have to do immigration between the two flights, it depends on the specific airlines in question, whether you have checked luggage, and probably a few other pieces of the puzzle. If you can put specific airlines to your proposed arrival flights, and departure flight, it would be easier to advice.

I will fly out from HND with EK313 and I was thinking about either taking the NH852 which has a scheduled arrival at 5:45 p.m. or the JL 98 which has a scheduled arrival at 6:30 p.m. - I already check that JL has a codeshare agreement with Emirates so for that reason they might be able to check through my luggage but on the other hand the flight arrives nearly one hour later which might lead to a quite thight window... I do have checked bagge so.. any suggestions on what would be better or if it is necessary to take the earlier flight? Thanks!

Danstar Mar 21, 2023 2:17 pm

I will fly out from HND with EK313 and I was thinking about either taking the NH852 which has a scheduled arrival at 5:45 p.m. or the JL 98 which has a scheduled arrival at 6:30 p.m. - I already check that JL has a codeshare agreement with Emirates so for that reason they might be able to check through my luggage but on the other hand the flight arrives nearly one hour later which might lead to a quite thight window... I do have checked bagge so.. any suggestions on what would be better or if it is necessary to take the earlier flight? Thanks!

TiaRR Mar 23, 2023 10:43 am

I just purchased LAX-HND-PVG from ANA in one ticket with 1.5hr transit time.

I was able to find LAX-HND arriving in T3 but cannot figure if departing from HND in the same terminal or not. Is 1.5hr transit time sufficient? Assuming i don't have to collect my luggage and reprint the second leg tickets.

thanks in advance

sbryans605 Mar 23, 2023 1:51 pm

Hello, flying from LHR to HND (NH212) which arrives 17:05, and have a separate booking for HND to ITM (NH41) which is due to leave at 19:15. Can we check in for NH41 in LHR, but we will still need to collect and drop our luggage in HND? Anyone had any recent experience of this? Will 2 hours be enough time to connect currently? Thanks

nishimark Mar 23, 2023 3:41 pm

At HND, all passengers will need to go through immigration, then collect luggage and go through customs. After customs you will need to submit your luggage to next flight yourself. I think that 2 hours is tight. Possible, but very little margin. For example, slightly late arrival at HND, many people who arrived just before you making long lines at immigration, etc.

sbryans605 Mar 23, 2023 3:42 pm


Originally Posted by nishimark (Post 35111368)
At HND, all passengers will need to go through immigration, then collect luggage and go through customs. After customs you will need to submit your luggage to next flight yourself. I think that 2 hours is tight. Possible, but very little margin. For example, slightly late arrival at HND, many people who arrived just before you making long lines at immigration, etc.

Thanks, any idea how ANA staff at the airport would handle a missed connection (if booked on two separate tickets)?

nishimark Mar 23, 2023 4:11 pm


Originally Posted by sbryans605 (Post 35111371)
Thanks, any idea how ANA staff at the airport would handle a missed connection (if booked on two separate tickets)?

My guess is that they would have no responsibility to try to get you to another flight. It would be better to ask ANA directly.

NOTE: There are flights departing later in the evening from HND going to Kobe and also to Kansai airport.

jib71 Mar 23, 2023 8:00 pm

My guess is that if you alert them to the tight connection,and the arriving flight is late, they may assign staff to help you to get through the airport quickly. Further, my guess is that if you miss your domestic flight because of their their delay, they may put you on a later flight as a kindness. As nishimark pointed out, they're not contractually obligated to do so for separate tickets - and you can reduce your risk by choosing a later flight.

nishimark Mar 23, 2023 8:31 pm


Originally Posted by jib71 (Post 35111851)
My guess is that if you alert them to the tight connection,and the arriving flight is late, they may assign staff to help you to get through the airport quickly. Further, my guess is that if you miss your domestic flight because of their their delay, they may put you on a later flight as a kindness. As nishimark pointed out, they're not contractually obligated to do so for separate tickets - and you can reduce your risk by choosing a later flight.

I agree with these possibilities. Generally, staff at Japanese airports are quite helpful. I wonder if a complicating factor would be that this is the last ANA flight of the day from HND to ITM.

TiaRR Mar 23, 2023 11:08 pm


Originally Posted by nishimark (Post 35111368)
At HND, all passengers will need to go through immigration, then collect luggage and go through customs. After customs you will need to submit your luggage to next flight yourself. I think that 2 hours is tight. Possible, but very little margin. For example, slightly late arrival at HND, many people who arrived just before you making long lines at immigration, etc.

all passengers? even if i purchase one ticket with layover in HND? i am looking at an itinerary LAX-HND-PVG by ANA.

r0m8470 Mar 25, 2023 10:29 pm

Hi, we are visiting Japan in April, but earlier we will fly there - just to be fly out in the same evening to Pusan.

Our situation:
Separate tickets from SEA to NRT (JL, J), then NRT to PUS (KE, Y)

Later on (12 days after the NRT arrival, we would enter Japan again from Jeju).

Questions:
1. Can we check-through our bags from SEA all the way to PUS? I believe JAL has interline with KE. I am wondering if I can ask the counter at SEA to do that for us?
2. If we check through the luggage, do we need to fill out visit Japan Web? I am thinking yes, because of our separate tickets.
3. If we check through though, we can then just transit in the secure area w/o exiting? JL and KE I believe use 2 different terminals at NRT. I read on NRT website and it looks like secure transfer will be done using bus?
4. Or do we just keep everything separate, enter Japan, then immediately re-check in to our KE flight? We do have some time, JL arrival time is 1540, and KE departure is 1920, so I think that's plenty of time unless our SEA flight is massively delayed.

Thank you in advance.

CPH-Flyer Mar 25, 2023 10:58 pm


Originally Posted by r0m8470 (Post 35116847)
Hi, we are visiting Japan in April, but earlier we will fly there - just to be fly out in the same evening to Pusan.

Our situation:
Separate tickets from SEA to NRT (JL, J), then NRT to PUS (KE, Y)

Later on (12 days after the NRT arrival, we would enter Japan again from Jeju).

Questions:
1. Can we check-through our bags from SEA all the way to PUS? I believe JAL has interline with KE. I am wondering if I can ask the counter at SEA to do that for us?
2. If we check through the luggage, do we need to fill out visit Japan Web? I am thinking yes, because of our separate tickets.
3. If we check through though, we can then just transit in the secure area w/o exiting? JL and KE I believe use 2 different terminals at NRT. I read on NRT website and it looks like secure transfer will be done using bus?
4. Or do we just keep everything separate, enter Japan, then immediately re-check in to our KE flight? We do have some time, JL arrival time is 1540, and KE departure is 1720, so I think that's plenty of time unless our SEA flight is massively delayed.

Thank you in advance.

It is outside of the stated policy that JL will check through to KE on separate tickets. Interline agreements only say that they are allowed to check luggage through not that they ​​​​​​will check luggage through on separate tickets. You can ask at the counter, but it will probably depend on the agent of the day. Don't come last minute for check in, as it will take a bit of time to check it all off.

If JL can check your luggage through, you can proceed directly to the transit area without a security check, and take the airside bus to T1 where Korean departs from.

If you can't check luggage through across tickets, your are in an almost impossible situation. KE check in will close 60 minutes before departure, leaving you 40 minutes to get through immigration, claim bags, and change terminals.

r0m8470 Mar 25, 2023 11:59 pm


Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer (Post 35116886)
It is outside of the stated policy that JL will check through to KE on separate tickets. Interline agreements only say that they are allowed to check luggage through not that they ​​​​​​will check luggage through on separate tickets. You can ask at the counter, but it will probably depend on the agent of the day. Don't come last minute for check in, as it will take a bit of time to check it all off.

If JL can check your luggage through, you can proceed directly to the transit area without a security check, and take the airside bus to T1 where Korean departs from.

If you can't check luggage through across tickets, your are in an almost impossible situation. KE check in will close 60 minutes before departure, leaving you 40 minutes to get through immigration, claim bags, and change terminals.

I had a typo. My KE flight is at 1920, not 1720 - so 3 hrs 40 min after the planned landing ETA. Sorry abt that.

joejones Mar 26, 2023 7:41 pm


Originally Posted by r0m8470 (Post 35116847)
2. If we check through the luggage, do we need to fill out visit Japan Web? I am thinking yes, because of our separate tickets.

Just to clear up a common misconception around here -- nobody needs to fill out Visit Japan Web. It's an optional service that bypasses manual COVID vax/test certificate review, and is supposed to streamline immigration and customs formalities. It definitely saves time on the first point but I can't say that it reliably saves time on the second and third points.

That said, in your case, VJW would be totally useless if the bags are checked through since you wouldn't need to enter Japan. But it would potentially save a significant amount of time if the bags are only checked as far as NRT, or if you misconnect and have to spend the night at NRT or transfer to a flight out of HND.


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