avoid super long flight to tokyo?
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avoid super long flight to tokyo?
Hi, I am trying to split up a long flight to Tokyo. I'm coming from Rochester NY. The best I have found is through Seattle. I would rather take two 8 or 9 hour flights than one 14 hour flight, especially if I could stop somewhere for a day or two and get used to the time change on my way to Tokyo. When I limit a search by duration, it gives you the shortest entire travel time, including all flights, not necessarily the international flight. Is there a search out there that will help me? I wouldn't mind going through, vancouver, hawaii, anything, I mostly just want to avoid a super long flight. Thanks for your comments.
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As with other airfare searches, you can only filter by total travel time. But on the results page, you can choose to view results by "Time Bars," which give you a graphic representation of the time spent on each flight. It lets you quickly identify the options that suit you.
► Complete trips► Individual flights► Time bars
ITA isn't an agency, so you need to buy the flights elsewhere.
Speaking for myself, I've never found it particularly helpful to split journeys in this way. I find it best to rip the elastoplast off in one go. But YMMV.
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This. Going from East Coast to West Coast just to "break up" the trip doesn't make any sense. All West Coast flights are pretty much polar route, and it's still 10-11 hours. Maybe HNL?
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Another option for ticketing to consider is to purchase two separate tickets. When searching online for ROC (Rochester, NY) HND/NRT (Tokyo, JP) with stop over somewhere along the way, then it is possible that the search results will contain only fares which allow stop over along the way.
Fares which allow stop over along the way, not transit at connecting airport (in old paper ticketing fares allow stop over were indicated by O in front of city listed on the ticket, and when fare rule does not allow stop over were indicated by X in front of city listed on the ticket), can be higher than simple transit connection only.
Which means if you are planning ROC-HNL-HND/NRT, rather than try to purchase one ROC-HND/NRT round trip ticket which allows stop over at HNL, buying two separate tickets ROC-HNL round trip and HNL-HND/NRT round trip.
Disadvantage of purchasing two separate tickets:
These days some airlines are implementing the rule that baggage will not be checked through to the final destinations when purchased as two separate tickets. Which means if you have two separate round trip ticket, ROC-HNL and HNL-HND/NRT then airline at ROC may not check your baggage all the way to Tokyo.
However, in your situation you are planning few days of stop over so likely you are planning to collect your luggage at stop over airport. Then this should not be a problem.
When having two separate tickets, strictly from fare rule airlines will not be responsible for missing the connecting flight due to flight delay or flight cancellation.
Again, in your case you are planning to spend a day or two at a stop over point, so having first flight delayed or cancelled should not cause major problem in your trip plan.
All these many make things more complicated, but you simply have to compare fares and determine which route and single ticket or two separate tickets, which stop over city is least expensive, the day of the week, etc.
Fares which allow stop over along the way, not transit at connecting airport (in old paper ticketing fares allow stop over were indicated by O in front of city listed on the ticket, and when fare rule does not allow stop over were indicated by X in front of city listed on the ticket), can be higher than simple transit connection only.
Which means if you are planning ROC-HNL-HND/NRT, rather than try to purchase one ROC-HND/NRT round trip ticket which allows stop over at HNL, buying two separate tickets ROC-HNL round trip and HNL-HND/NRT round trip.
Disadvantage of purchasing two separate tickets:
These days some airlines are implementing the rule that baggage will not be checked through to the final destinations when purchased as two separate tickets. Which means if you have two separate round trip ticket, ROC-HNL and HNL-HND/NRT then airline at ROC may not check your baggage all the way to Tokyo.
However, in your situation you are planning few days of stop over so likely you are planning to collect your luggage at stop over airport. Then this should not be a problem.
When having two separate tickets, strictly from fare rule airlines will not be responsible for missing the connecting flight due to flight delay or flight cancellation.
Again, in your case you are planning to spend a day or two at a stop over point, so having first flight delayed or cancelled should not cause major problem in your trip plan.
All these many make things more complicated, but you simply have to compare fares and determine which route and single ticket or two separate tickets, which stop over city is least expensive, the day of the week, etc.
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Hi, I am trying to split up a long flight to Tokyo. I'm coming from Rochester NY. The best I have found is through Seattle. I would rather take two 8 or 9 hour flights than one 14 hour flight, especially if I could stop somewhere for a day or two and get used to the time change on my way to Tokyo. When I limit a search by duration, it gives you the shortest entire travel time, including all flights, not necessarily the international flight. Is there a search out there that will help me? I wouldn't mind going through, vancouver, hawaii, anything, I mostly just want to avoid a super long flight. Thanks for your comments.
There should be plenty of ways to get to MSP on a short flight from one of the airports near Rochester. And then MSP-TYO is ~12hr (shorter coming back). Only a couple hours longer than the SEA-NRT flight. Would that work? Actually, 12hr on Delta will feel much longer than a slightly longer flight on ANA from ORD.
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Doing a stopover or taking two tickets is likely to make the trip much mire expensive. If you're concerned about jet lag, you could plan to arrive in Japan a day or two earlier.
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Just for reference, random date on March on United. We are looking at this kind of price differences.
Economy Round Trip, no stop over
ROC-NRT: $1,178.86
Economy Stop Over at Honolulu, 2 tickets:
ROC-HNL: $817.99
HNL-NRT: $649.36
Total: 1,467.35
Business Class Round trip, no stop over
ROC-NRT: $4,396.63
If on business trip and a company will pay for a business class then business class is nice option. However, if it is on own dime then business class is out of my budget. I am wondering what OPs budget for the travel.
Unless fly yourself as a cargo.
Cargo airlines uses Anchorage as a hub for far east destination. FedEx, UPS, and Nippon Cargo have schedule commercial flights on ANC-NRT pretty much on daily basis.
Economy Round Trip, no stop over
ROC-NRT: $1,178.86
Economy Stop Over at Honolulu, 2 tickets:
ROC-HNL: $817.99
HNL-NRT: $649.36
Total: 1,467.35
Business Class Round trip, no stop over
ROC-NRT: $4,396.63
If on business trip and a company will pay for a business class then business class is nice option. However, if it is on own dime then business class is out of my budget. I am wondering what OPs budget for the travel.
Cargo airlines uses Anchorage as a hub for far east destination. FedEx, UPS, and Nippon Cargo have schedule commercial flights on ANC-NRT pretty much on daily basis.

