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Old Dec 18, 2016 | 2:44 pm
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The Hawaii thing still doesn't make sense to me. OP is going to take aeons (13-15hrs) first to go to Hawaii, then another 9hr flight to TYO? Going through Hawaii is such a roundabout way (and an expensive one) to get to Jpn. And I still don't see how that helps much with clock adjustment. MSP is only a couple hrs from upstate NY, and MSP is only 2.5-3hrs longer flight to TYO than HNL, actually. By the time he gets to Hawaii, he could just about be in Jpn.

Btw, my worst is having long (7+hrs) flights back-to-back. YYZ/ORD-HKG nonstops, no problem. But when we go USA to S.Africa, it's really rough. There's something perverse about having to step onboard an 11-hr flight at LHR when you haven't had the time to recuperate from an 8-hr flight you just came off of. Of course it'd help if you're in premium cabin, but that's not how most of us travel.
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Old Dec 18, 2016 | 3:33 pm
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Has anybody visited europe on the way to Japan? How was your experience?
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Old Dec 18, 2016 | 3:36 pm
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Ya, Hawaii isn't the best option, unless it's a destination of it's own on the way. In some ways I think I should just bite the bullet and make the long haul. But I wanted to explore the option of splitting it up before I go again.
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Old Dec 18, 2016 | 4:30 pm
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Originally Posted by tjh21cen
Has anybody visited europe on the way to Japan? How was your experience?
As far as I can think of, about the only European gateways with flights <10hr to TYO would be something like Helsinki or Moscow. But then how are you going to get there? Otherwise just about everywhere else (eg, LHR, AMS) will entail a flight longer than what you'd like.

I would just bite the bullet if I were you. Even from YYZ, we're only talking 3hrs longer than from SEA, YVR or HNL. And you could just drive there from where you live. Once upon a time I used to live not too far from where you are. I've driven to YYZ to take the nonstop to Jpn.
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Old Dec 18, 2016 | 4:49 pm
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Originally Posted by tjh21cen
Has anybody visited europe on the way to Japan? How was your experience?
Yes. on an award flight.

Toronto-Montreal-Zurich-HKG-Osaka then back transpacific.

I do not recommend a N America-Europe-Japan routing if your goal is to maximise comfort or avoid jetlag.

PS for the OP-start in Toronto, fly direct to Haneda on AC. If business class too much $$ keep an eye on Premium Economy fares. They go down to the $1700 Canadian range occasionally. or the lowest business class fares that you can get sometimes for $C3200 ~$US2400.
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Old Dec 19, 2016 | 7:51 am
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Thanks everybody for your comments. It was helpful.
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