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AlwaysAisle Sep 26, 2017 5:40 am


Originally Posted by jerryhze (Post 28858884)
JFK-HND RT J on NH
HND-CTS RT Y on NH (but on separate ticket)
international-domestic transfers

For each direction, is it allowed to through check the bags? Which baggage rule applies here, the international J or domestic Y?

Thanks!

Look the baggage rule of a domestic ticket you purchased. If you purchased such as Experience Japan Fare, Visit Japan, etc. which need to be purchased in conjunction with international ticket then most of those fares have international baggage allowance.

If you purchased regular domestic fares which do not have to be associated with international ticket then usually it is 20 kg allowance (no limit on number of baggage).

Any case, it is specifically written on your ticket rule. Read the ticket rule, if you cannot find one then call ANA and ask.

evergrn Sep 27, 2017 7:16 pm

Which one would you do?
 
This is international -> domestic at HND. The domestic portion is the last flight of the day to the destination (Naha). We'll have checked bags. Foreign passport.

Option#1: AC->NH, same ticket, 3.5hr layover
Option#2 : NH->NH, same ticket, 90min layover (NH MCT is 80min)

Family STRONGLY wants #2 ... they need the extensive Japanese AVOD and want Japanese service. I personally think #2 is too close for comfort, but I want to make the family happy and it'd be a drag to have a 3.5hr layover.

Based on my limited experiences with HND Int'l arrival, it's 25-50min to go from gate to arrivals concourse with checked bags (including deplaning). I have often seen NH domestic flights wait up to ~30min for late-arriving international passengers. But NH's transit bag drop at Int'l terminal has cutoff time of 45min before departure. If my first flight runs late or something, will ANA extend the transit bag drop cutoff time? If not, then I'm in trouble based on worst-case scenario time of 50min, even if my flight arrives on time. I presume that if I miss the transit bag drop cutoff at Int'l terminal, I will have also missed the bag check cutoff at T2.

The other thing to keep in mind is that my accommodation that night in Naha is quite expensive (>$200), which I'd have to eat if I miss the transit.

CPH-Flyer Sep 27, 2017 7:38 pm


Originally Posted by evergrn (Post 28867149)
This is international -> domestic at HND. The domestic portion is the last flight of the day to the destination (Naha). We'll have checked bags. Foreign passport.

Option#1: AC->NH, same ticket, 3.5hr layover
Option#2 : NH->NH, same ticket, 90min layover (NH MCT is 80min)

Family STRONGLY wants #2 ... they need the extensive Japanese AVOD and want Japanese service. I personally think #2 is too close for comfort, but I want to make the family happy and it'd be a drag to have a 3.5hr layover.

Based on my limited experiences with HND Int'l arrival, it's 25-50min to go from gate to arrivals concourse with checked bags (including deplaning). I have often seen NH domestic flights wait up to ~30min for late-arriving international passengers. But NH's transit bag drop at Int'l terminal has cutoff time of 45min before departure. If my first flight runs late or something, will ANA extend the transit bag drop cutoff time? If not, then I'm in trouble based on worst-case scenario time of 50min, even if my flight arrives on time. I presume that if I miss the transit bag drop cutoff at Int'l terminal, I will have also missed the bag check cutoff at T2.

The other thing to keep in mind is that my accommodation that night in Naha is quite expensive (>$200), which I'd have to eat if I miss the transit.

I would go for number two. I usually count 1.5 hours from wheels down on the runway until I am home by public transport, with checked luggage. Less without. I do not use the foreign passport lines, but a longer immigration time means less luggage waiting time....

ANA will have assistance if your inbound is late, and Haneda is generally an effective airport. It shoudl be fine.

evergrn Sep 27, 2017 8:15 pm


Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer (Post 28867217)
I would go for number two. I usually count 1.5 hours from wheels down on the runway until I am home by public transport, with checked luggage. Less without. I do not use the foreign passport lines, but a longer immigration time means less luggage waiting time....

ANA will have assistance if your inbound is late, and Haneda is generally an effective airport. It shoudl be fine.

Okay thanks. I just hope they'll be lenient on that 45min domestic transit bag drop cutoff in case something happens.

CPH-Flyer Sep 27, 2017 8:48 pm


Originally Posted by evergrn (Post 28867340)
Okay thanks. I just hope they'll be lenient on that 45min domestic transit bag drop cutoff in case something happens.

It is a legal connection, so I am sure NH will do a lot to make sure it works out.

rustykettel Sep 27, 2017 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by evergrn (Post 28867340)
Okay thanks. I just hope they'll be lenient on that 45min domestic transit bag drop cutoff in case something happens.

Worst case if you get to the transit counter less than 45 minutes and the agent won't take the baggage is to proceed to the T2 and recheck your bags at the counter there. ANA doesn't list a baggage cutoff for domestic flights exactly- closest is 20 minutes prior to departure for "large-sized baggage, such as a ski board or surf board" - so I think you'll be fine.

evergrn Sep 28, 2017 9:48 pm

Thanks. We will take a chance with ANA then.

lowjhg Oct 1, 2017 10:51 am

Hey all, I have a 1H 10 min dom to int connection in NRT soon on separate tickets.

Domestic flight is JL3002 in 1st row of plane connecting to international flight MH89, both arrive and depart from same terminal T2.

Will have OLCI printed BP on hand with no checked baggage.

I know expertflyer lists 60 mins as a legal connection but in practice is it doable?

CPH-Flyer Oct 1, 2017 11:40 am


Originally Posted by lowjhg (Post 28880740)
Hey all, I have a 1H 10 min dom to int connection in NRT soon on separate tickets.

Domestic flight is JL3002 in 1st row of plane connecting to international flight MH89, both arrive and depart from same terminal T2.

Will have OLCI printed BP on hand with no checked baggage.

I know expertflyer lists 60 mins as a legal connection but in practice is it doable?

It is doable. If everything flows normal that should even leave time to spare. Though the late afternoon can create a bit of a line at immigration.

While doable, it is a risky connection om separate tickets.

lowjhg Oct 1, 2017 8:18 pm


Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer (Post 28880890)
It is doable. If everything flows normal that should even leave time to spare. Though the late afternoon can create a bit of a line at immigration.

While doable, it is a risky connection om separate tickets.

FWIW, it's a domestic JL class j to MH international J connection, but does the oneworld elite line speed up things a little?

AlwaysAisle Oct 2, 2017 6:28 am


Originally Posted by lowjhg (Post 28882390)
FWIW, it's a domestic JL class j to MH international J connection, but does the oneworld elite line speed up things a little?

When arriving on domestic flights at NRT connecting to international flights there are dedicated security and passport control for connecting passengers as you come out on 2nd fl. of the terminal building.

Domestic to International connection at Terminal 2

You do not have to go up to 3rd fl. of the terminal which is international check-in and security area. There is no separate elite line, but if you are one of first to get off the plane then you should be one of first to go through security and passport control.

Your JL 3002 arrives at NRT on 9:20 a.m. Around same time there are domestic arrival of JL 3052 from FUK (9:05), JL 3040 from CTS (9:30), and JL 3082 from NGO (9:30). Many passengers on domestic flights to NRT are connecting to international flights just like you, and security and passport control for connecting passengers to international flights can form long line when domestic flights arrive.

If flights form CTS and NGO happened to arrive before your fright from ITM on your day of travel, then is it possible that there will be already line at security and passport control for connecting passengers to international flights. The line does move quick, so usually do not have to worry much.

If you are worry then what you should do is to upon arrival at NRT there should be a JL ground agent at jet bridge area as you walk out of the airplane. Ask JL ground agent (not FA on aircraft) that you have very tight connection. Understand that you are connecting to MH flight, but knowing how thing works in Japan it is possible that JL ground agent will try to contact MH agent to notify the situation.

Also, I do not know how MH does things at NRT, but it does not hurt to call MH before travel and have note made on your reservation that you are connecting from JL 3002, then least MH agents at NRT will be possibly be aware of your situation.

HawaiiO Oct 8, 2017 12:33 am

Arriving at HND and want to go to Shinjuku on Limo bus(since it seems to be the easiest).
How long does it take to clear immigration at HND in the evening?

Does anyone know if Limo bus accepts credit card payments?

Thanks!

CPH-Flyer Oct 8, 2017 1:23 am


Originally Posted by HawaiiO (Post 28906339)
Arriving at HND and want to go to Shinjuku on Limo bus(since it seems to be the easiest).
How long does it take to clear immigration at HND in the evening?

Does anyone know if Limo bus accepts credit card payments?

Thanks!

The limousine bus counters do take credit card. Have you checked the time table for where you are heading?

When you say evening, what exactly evening do you mean? Though generally I would say Haneda immigration is pretty smooth.

HawaiiO Oct 8, 2017 2:26 am

Thanks!
Tried to register online to get a reservation but their registration system is weird...

I'm arriving 7.15pm at Haneda and there is a bus at 7.50 to Shinjuku Washington hotel.
Would I be able to make it?
I dont have checkin luggage.
The next one is an hour later...so that kinda sucks.

However I can take a different bus to Shinjuku West exit which isnt too far away and the bus runs more often.




Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer (Post 28906396)
The limousine bus counters do take credit card. Have you checked the time table for where you are heading?

When you say evening, what exactly evening do you mean? Though generally I would say Haneda immigration is pretty smooth.


CPH-Flyer Oct 8, 2017 2:55 am


Originally Posted by HawaiiO (Post 28906486)
Thanks!
Tried to register online to get a reservation but their registration system is weird...

I'm arriving 7.15pm at Haneda and there is a bus at 7.50 to Shinjuku Washington hotel.
Would I be able to make it?
I dont have checkin luggage.
The next one is an hour later...so that kinda sucks.

However I can take a different bus to Shinjuku West exit which isnt too far away and the bus runs more often.

It is tight. If you are at the gate at 7:15pm, is is possible. If you only land 7:15pm it is a challenge.

I never book from the airport, I just see what I can catch once I am at the counter. I have never had a bus sold out.


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