US India one stop security check
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US India one stop security check
US has proposed a one stop security check with India. Let’s see how long it takes to implement (if India is interested).
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...le68335774.ece
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...le68335774.ece
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US has proposed a one stop security check with India. Let’s see how long it takes to implement (if India is interested).
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...le68335774.ece
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...le68335774.ece
I'm assuming they are talking about pre-clearance as without that there is no way this can work in US. I've never been a fan of pre-clearance - specially the one in AUH. Over the years, I've had some nasty wait times to clear immigration in US but overall I'd still take that over the AUH pre-clearance experience. I can see though that it may benefit people on visa's and older folks who may find it easier to be done with all paperwork in India itself. Also, IIRC, the host country pays for the US CBP staff!
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The US Transport Security Administration (TSA) has proposed a one-stop security arrangement with India to expedite flow of passengers to their destinations by phasing out rescreening of passengers at transit hubs
Preclearance in India is a non starter. There is a reason why only AUH and DUB have preclearance facilities... big can of worms.
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US has proposed a one stop security check with India. Let’s see how long it takes to implement (if India is interested).
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...le68335774.ece
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...le68335774.ece
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My experience with pre-clearance has not been good. You get cut off from most facilities (lounges, restaurants, shopping, etc) at the departure airport and are restricted to a small and often crowded area reserved for the US-bound crowd. I found it quite boring, made worse by flight delays. Just get Global Entry and immigration/customs in the USA will be a breeze.
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he fundamental problem with US pre clearance is that you are bringing in foreign officers who make decisions in your sovereign territory. This in turn brings about a number of jurisdictional issues which is the main reason why no European country other that Ireland wants to implement US pre clearance.
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There's a big difference in aligning security standards and immigration pre-clearance.
Security, honestly, I think in India has long been much more thorough than most Western countries. I see no reason for someone flying CDG-BOM-AMD to be re-screened at BOM. Or - worse - for someone flying AMD-BOM-CDG to be re-screened at BOM. I suppose it's a question of signing agreements and whatever, plus out governmental paranoia. I mean do you trust your own exaggerated CISF security that little that one can't even fly within the country without being screened at every possible step?
I can fly to from and through several countries with just once security check at the point of origin. But can't do a simple connection within India without screening at the connection point.
I believe this initiative is for that - which I'm all for.
When it comes to immigration pre-clearance, it's a different story completely. There are situations where it makes sense (Canada-USA, UAE-India) and many where it does not ) UAE-USA, India-Anywhere. When there are many flights from a few places in one country to several cities in another country (like Mexico-USA, or UAE-India, it makes sense). Enables flights to places in the destination country without the need to convert a little airstrip into an international airport and alleviates queues at arrival immigration.
Security, honestly, I think in India has long been much more thorough than most Western countries. I see no reason for someone flying CDG-BOM-AMD to be re-screened at BOM. Or - worse - for someone flying AMD-BOM-CDG to be re-screened at BOM. I suppose it's a question of signing agreements and whatever, plus out governmental paranoia. I mean do you trust your own exaggerated CISF security that little that one can't even fly within the country without being screened at every possible step?
I can fly to from and through several countries with just once security check at the point of origin. But can't do a simple connection within India without screening at the connection point.
I believe this initiative is for that - which I'm all for.
When it comes to immigration pre-clearance, it's a different story completely. There are situations where it makes sense (Canada-USA, UAE-India) and many where it does not ) UAE-USA, India-Anywhere. When there are many flights from a few places in one country to several cities in another country (like Mexico-USA, or UAE-India, it makes sense). Enables flights to places in the destination country without the need to convert a little airstrip into an international airport and alleviates queues at arrival immigration.
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US has proposed a one stop security check with India. Let’s see how long it takes to implement (if India is interested).
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...le68335774.ece
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...le68335774.ece
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Even if the article's author had any clue what they were writing about, I don't see how this could ever work.
First, whether the U.S. trusts foreign security screening is normally irrelevant since all non-preclearance passengers have access to all the sharp and liquid things in their checked luggage while clearing customs.
Second, India doesn't even trust its own security screening. I can fly GJT-DEN-ORD-AMS-HEL-RIX without ever reclearing security, but HYD-DEL-IXC requires reclearing security in Delhi. Also, TSA allows scary stuff like small pliers and cigarette lighters on flights, so I don't see the Indian authorities signing off on that. Don't tell them about how security at HEL let me through with a Swiss Army knife and a bottle of booze.
First, whether the U.S. trusts foreign security screening is normally irrelevant since all non-preclearance passengers have access to all the sharp and liquid things in their checked luggage while clearing customs.
Second, India doesn't even trust its own security screening. I can fly GJT-DEN-ORD-AMS-HEL-RIX without ever reclearing security, but HYD-DEL-IXC requires reclearing security in Delhi. Also, TSA allows scary stuff like small pliers and cigarette lighters on flights, so I don't see the Indian authorities signing off on that. Don't tell them about how security at HEL let me through with a Swiss Army knife and a bottle of booze.
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OSS is not about preclearance.
Basically, US-India-Other countries traffic will not have to re-clear security during their transit in India.
It is pretty easy to implement - when one gets off the plane, those with international connections go up to the boarding lounge and people entering the county follow the normal route to immigration.
As Indian airports are general pretty anal about ITI transit I'm not quite sure this will ever be seriously considered.
Basically, US-India-Other countries traffic will not have to re-clear security during their transit in India.
It is pretty easy to implement - when one gets off the plane, those with international connections go up to the boarding lounge and people entering the county follow the normal route to immigration.
As Indian airports are general pretty anal about ITI transit I'm not quite sure this will ever be seriously considered.
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The GoI want AI to develop BOM/DEL into a hub and allow for quick connections. Clean security arrivals are usually reciprocal so India expects the EU & US to recognize the CISF security procedures as equivalent....

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None of this article makes any sense. A "security check" is when they make sure you are not carrying weapons. Are they proposing that flights from India will land in the domestic airside area of US airports, so that passengers can go to their connecting flights without further security (x-ray/body scans/etc)?
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OSS is not about preclearance.
Basically, US-India-Other countries traffic will not have to re-clear security during their transit in India.
It is pretty easy to implement - when one gets off the plane, those with international connections go up to the boarding lounge and people entering the county follow the normal route to immigration.
As Indian airports are general pretty anal about ITI transit I'm not quite sure this will ever be seriously considered.
Basically, US-India-Other countries traffic will not have to re-clear security during their transit in India.
It is pretty easy to implement - when one gets off the plane, those with international connections go up to the boarding lounge and people entering the county follow the normal route to immigration.
As Indian airports are general pretty anal about ITI transit I'm not quite sure this will ever be seriously considered.


