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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 4:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. Bean
The OCI booklet is officially a "certificate of registration" or something similar. It is not a passport and it never gets stamped. It contains all of the information that is on the OCI visa, which is affixed in the passport (looks just like a tourist visa but different code for type (U) and contains the statement that the person is an OCI). The pictures on the visa and in the booklet are the same. The OCI booklet even has a field for the passport number that the visa was originally put in. Seems silly to require presenting the booklet when the visa has all the same information anyway.
I does seem unnecessary. I can think of two possible reasons:
  1. The booklet might be used for exercising some privileges that OCI are allowed but other visa holders are not allowed, employment is one example, if OCI are allowed to work.
  2. The Government might have some future use in mind.
These are pure conjectures on my part.

I looked at the Indian Embassy page about OCI. It says:
THERE IS NO EMERGENCY SERVICE FOR OCI. DO NOT PLAN TRAVEL BEFORE YOU RECEIVE OCI IN YOUR HAND.

Are you not allowed to India during the period between submission of your application and receipt of your OCI visa? It seems to me that you should be able to travel.
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 5:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Yaatri
As far as humiliation and profiling is concerned, why is humiliation or profiling from Indian bureaucrats less welcome than those the U.S.
I am an equal opportunity humiliatee
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Old Mar 31, 2010 | 6:22 pm
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Originally Posted by PhlyingRPh
Yes, we had been advised about OCI, but I was told recently, any applications flagged as suspect (by individuals suspected of ties to Pakistan) would require both passport and application be forwarded to New Delhi for consideration and approval. If that is indeed the case, I can well do without the humiliation and profiling (not like I don't get enough of that as it is ).
Governments don't realise, maybe they do, that they are making things worse by preventing people from visiting their country. Most people, even with Pakistani connections who want to come to India, want to come for tourism, or visit friends and relatives. Both countries should allow visitors freely so that the two peoples can see the reality first hand instead of being fed by politicians and the media. When applying for a visa to India or Pakistan, political connections do help.
I was invited to a friend's wedding in Lahore, but I decided not to go because of what would await me upon my return to the U.S.
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 12:11 am
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Originally Posted by PhlyingRPh
India has been very strict in considering visa applications by anyone with a Muslim name for about ten years now. In my case, both my parents were born in British India. I am British by birth and I have had trouble whenever I have applied for a tourist visa to visit India. My wife, also being the offspring of Indian born parents but being born in North America has had an Indian business visa refused in the last year. In both cases, we understand the reason is due to heavy travel to Pakistan. As I say, this is long before the Headley days discussed above.
i don't think india is strict when considering visa aplications from muslims....my friends & family are coming to india all the time & they have never had a problem getting a visa....

the pakistan travel may be an issue but its got nothing to do with the muslim name....
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 5:13 am
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I see hundreds of passports daily in my job so i got a possible answer for the pre-partition born in PAK land question situation.

Indian passports for those who are born in Pakistan land before partition have place of birth as e.g. Lahore, Undivided India. Now this is an official Indian document so i guess it is pretty safe to put down Undivided India as place of birth regarding the question of those born in pak before partition.
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 6:03 am
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Lots of complaints here...................Has anyone of you guys complaining about the requirements for an Indian visa ever thought about the requirements for a US or EU visa when you are applying on an Indian passport from India?
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 6:44 am
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Originally Posted by Buttwiser
Lots of complaints here...................Has anyone of you guys complaining about the requirements for an Indian visa ever thought about the requirements for a US or EU visa when you are applying on an Indian passport from India?
good point....while i have never had a problem personally, i know too many people who have....
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 7:13 am
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Originally Posted by d3vski
I see hundreds of passports daily in my job so i got a possible answer for the pre-partition born in PAK land question situation.

Indian passports for those who are born in Pakistan land before partition have place of birth as e.g. Lahore, Undivided India. Now this is an official Indian document so i guess it is pretty safe to put down Undivided India as place of birth regarding the question of those born in pak before partition.
That is the best solution. There might not be enough space for what I suggested, which was Lahore, India (now Pakistan).
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 7:16 am
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Originally Posted by saad
good point....while i have never had a problem personally, i know too many people who have....
I do too. I have heard that things are easier now than they used to be. I have heard that student visa is rarely refused now. I suppose it must be very difficult for people from Pakistan to get a U.S. visa.
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 7:25 am
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Originally Posted by saad
i don't think india is strict when considering visa aplications from muslims....my friends & family are coming to india all the time & they have never had a problem getting a visa....

the pakistan travel may be an issue but its got nothing to do with the muslim name....
I too have heard of people from Pakistan visiting India. Nowadays Pakistani people are travelling to India for medical treatment too. I am sure there are some who are refused.

It would be impossible for Indian Embassy to refuse visa to people with Muslim names as we all know that more than one out of eight Indians is a Muslim.
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 11:55 am
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Originally Posted by Buttwiser
Lots of complaints here...................Has anyone of you guys complaining about the requirements for an Indian visa ever thought about the requirements for a US or EU visa when you are applying on an Indian passport from India?
believe it or not, i actually agree with what you say. We have no right to complain about procedures which if implemented by a "western" country, no one would bat an eyelid, India is sovereign and it can demand whatever paperwork it wants.

The process may be a pain in the backside but it is nothing compared to what the average Indian goes through to get a visa for the west.

I had a nightmare trying to get my OCI (so glad ive got it now) and i cursed them till i was blue in the face but now i understand that i had no right to do so because now my wife (who is an Indian) has to give her entire life history and surrender her passport to the british authorities for 3 whole months (meaning she cannot fulfil her job) to get the visa to come to the UK.
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Old Apr 1, 2010 | 12:05 pm
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Originally Posted by d3vski
believe it or not, i actually agree with what you say. We have no right to complain about procedures which if implemented by a "western" country, no one would bat an eyelid, India is sovereign and it can demand whatever paperwork it wants.

The process may be a pain in the backside but it is nothing compared to what the average Indian goes through to get a visa for the west.

I had a nightmare trying to get my OCI (so glad ive got it now) and i cursed them till i was blue in the face but now i understand that i had no right to do so because now my wife (who is an Indian) has to give her entire life history and surrender her passport to the british authorities for 3 whole months (meaning she cannot fulfil her job) to get the visa to come to the UK.
Why was getting your OCI was a nightmare?
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 6:14 am
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Originally Posted by Yaatri
Why was getting your OCI was a nightmare?
because i am British and with its colonial history, the way i qualified for OCI was complicated. I had to go back 2 generations and show that my grandad was British Indian and then establish a direct link.

It could have been so simple through my mum, who was Indian citizen, but in 1982 when she naturalized the British policy was to impound the Indian passport and send it back to the Indians so she has no evidence that she was an Indian. On top of that, her birth certificate does not mention her name (those days kids were not named straight away) and the BMC do not put one on retrospectively.

It took me 4 trips to the High Commission for them to accept my application.

whereas if your american, its easy, you emigrated on an Indian passport, you naturalized and you became American. Its fairly simple whereas many British Indians have never held an Indian passport.
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by d3vski
but in 1982 when she naturalized the British policy was to impound the Indian passport and send it back to the Indians
Wow, wonder what the reasoning was for that. Does that still happen?
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Old Apr 2, 2010 | 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by Yaatri
I too have heard of people from Pakistan visiting India. Nowadays Pakistani people are travelling to India for medical treatment too. I am sure there are some who are refused.

It would be impossible for Indian Embassy to refuse visa to people with Muslim names as we all know that more than one out of eight Indians is a Muslim.
Actually it is not impossible, and in the last few years there has been some anecdotal evidence of US citizens of Indian origin being denied visas. I know of one case involving a university student of Muslim Indian origin who experienced a visa rejection. His parents are Indian, he was born in the US, has never traveled to Pakistan, but could not travel to India to get married. No reason was given for the visa rejection. I have heard of other cases but really don't know much about them.

Similarly, many US citizens of Pakistani origin who have traveled to India in the past without any problems have reported that their visa applications have been rejected. Whether one wants to term it discrimination secondary to being a Pakistani or secondary to being a Muslim is, I think academic since one is largely a subset of the other.

Generally the people impacted by bureaucratic idiocy, whether it is based on religious profiling or is equally applied to all applicants are usually ordinary people just trying to conduct business, visit relatives or see some place that they identify strongly with.
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