ashwin_s

Hi,
Has anyone taken the new JFK-BOM direct flight this year (2023)? Are they using the newly refurbished 777-LRs? Is the business class any better than on the 777-ERs they've been using for EWR-BOM?

Acid

You can check on the booking page - JFK-BOM nonstop is using the 777-200LR's(old DL aircrafts). As of now, EWR-BOM is on 773's
The 772LR's can't be used on DEL flights - - they are usually used for NYC-BOM and SFO-BOM

B747-437B

They CAN be used on Delhi-USA flights and have been used on some, but they cannot use the P500 airway in Kabul FIR due to lack of additional oxygen generators (an option that Delta declined when acquiring those aircraft) which often makes it unreasonably longer to use an alternative routing.

Anish

JFK-BOM is pretty consistently on the ex-Delta 77Ls but there can be a last minute swap to the AI 77Ws. Business class on the ex-DL planes is significantly better with Delta One Suites vs Angled lie flat on the 77Ws - https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ai116

Acid

That's what I meant , they are not being used ex-DEL because of the DL aircrafts that lack the oxygen generators. Hence more likely to get the 772LR's on JFK/SFO-BOM route. Not sure why EWR is not getting the love.

ashwin_s

Thank you. My mother took JFK-BOM in April 2023 and commented it was the same old plane with a terrible business class cabin (777ER). I checked Air India's booking site and Flightradar24 today, and it appears JFK-BOM has finally been completely switched to the refurbished 777LRs from Delta. However, EWR-BOM which uses dilapidated 3-class 777ERs is still priced much higher. I guess this price discrepancy is just Air India doing its thing

With no end in sight to the Ukraine war, United's EWR-BOM with Polaris doesn't seem to be coming back any time soon. AI's JFK-BOM business class finally offers a decent option for business class travelers wanting a direct NYC-BOM flight.

Keyser

This happened to me in April & again to a friend of mine last month.

ashwin_s

Did the flight have WiFi, and if so, how was it?

GoraDesi

I did BOM->JFK in February. Seemed like a Delta interior to me. The business class looked like 1-2-1 with lie-flat pods. No WiFi offered.

PiperAtGatesofDawn

WiFi is not available on any AI flight.

hyho61

It has been now 16 months since Tata took over AI and many passengers still seeing the same issues as the old AI had. It not does appear that Tata management has any urgency to look into this and now with a virtual monopoly on nonstop routes to North America, AI has less incentive to improve the in flight product. Does Vistara have the same issues on the European flights, I wonder.

ashwin_s

I only hope they maintain their engines, sensors and control systems well

PiperAtGatesofDawn

To play the devil's advocate... what improvements were you expecting to see in 16 months time? The big 777 & 787 seat refurbish is expected to start in mid-2024. That's pretty much the main complain of passengers. It's good for AI that they haven't rushed into it (my understanding of these timelines is not based on my expertise but how I see other airlines do these refurbs). They have also ensured direct IND-US capacity which would have significantly impacted passengers if AI started these refurbs at a time of super high demand by just removing capacity.

UK has brand new 787s that are being maintained much better.

SeeBuyFly

Putting leased planes in service should not take 16 months. That's the whole point of leasing, making a short-term fix. Only a few (3?) leased planes are operating.

PiperAtGatesofDawn

Again I'm not an industry inventory expert and I don't think you are either. I don't think they were expected to come in ready with a plan for this on day one. It's something that has evolved over time. Further there is a huge capacity shortage right now post Covid and airlines are struggling to get planes, spares, pilots & crew to meet demand. QF, LH , EK etcs accelerated activation of retired & semi-retired A380s clearly shows this. Where are the free ready to fly planes hanging about that AI could operate immediately?

Also there are more (6 I think) temporary EY 777s coming over the next year. So 9 planes at least.

I'm not saying AI has been perfect in their execution. How would I know! But I know these refurbs take years and years. SQ has about 10 A380s... but it took them I think almost 5 years to refit.