AI's Dreamliner debut delayed by two months [merged]
Nov 24, 2011, 6:53 am
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These flights are normally full, but I wouldn't consider them to be cash cows - otherwise Jet would have also started the non-stops into EWR...
(And they should, actually - I would be the first one on it - so that I can eliminate the BRU stopover! Just flew EWR-BOM on CO and it was really great in C!
However, ground service sucked totally, and I now experienced the mayhem at EWR which I had previously watched from a distance some months ago - posted in the thread in the India forums.
Also waited over 30 minutes for my suitcases - if you can believe it! LH gets mine out in less than 5-8 mins)
Nov 24, 2011, 8:57 am
#47
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With just 2 CO flights to India every day? (1 each into BOM/DEL)
These flights are normally full, but I wouldn't consider them to be cash cows - otherwise Jet would have also started the non-stops into EWR...
(And they should, actually - I would be the first one on it - so that I can eliminate the BRU stopover! Just flew EWR-BOM on CO and it was really great in C!
However, ground service sucked totally, and I now experienced the mayhem at EWR which I had previously watched from a distance some months ago - posted in the thread in the India forums.
Also waited over 30 minutes for my suitcases - if you can believe it! LH gets mine out in less than 5-8 mins)
These flights are normally full, but I wouldn't consider them to be cash cows - otherwise Jet would have also started the non-stops into EWR...
(And they should, actually - I would be the first one on it - so that I can eliminate the BRU stopover! Just flew EWR-BOM on CO and it was really great in C!
However, ground service sucked totally, and I now experienced the mayhem at EWR which I had previously watched from a distance some months ago - posted in the thread in the India forums.
Also waited over 30 minutes for my suitcases - if you can believe it! LH gets mine out in less than 5-8 mins)
It is very expensive to fly ultralonghaul routes like that, because you have to carry the fuel for the whole journey. Flying with a stopover in Europe is much more economical.
Therefore, most airlines prefer to stop over. 9W, etc. And that's why LH, BA, etc. can afford to price more aggressively.
Oversupplying on ultralonghaul is a recipe for bankruptcy, and that's why there aren't more seats available in that segment.
Nov 24, 2011, 10:30 am
#48
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AI and CO more than cover the demand.
It is very expensive to fly ultralonghaul routes like that, because you have to carry the fuel for the whole journey. Flying with a stopover in Europe is much more economical.
Therefore, most airlines prefer to stop over. 9W, etc. And that's why LH, BA, etc. can afford to price more aggressively.
Oversupplying on ultralonghaul is a recipe for bankruptcy, and that's why there aren't more seats available in that segment.
It is very expensive to fly ultralonghaul routes like that, because you have to carry the fuel for the whole journey. Flying with a stopover in Europe is much more economical.
Therefore, most airlines prefer to stop over. 9W, etc. And that's why LH, BA, etc. can afford to price more aggressively.
Oversupplying on ultralonghaul is a recipe for bankruptcy, and that's why there aren't more seats available in that segment.
However, in the melee I was surprised how many people I spoke to wanted to fly non-stop, but after having done the trip, it was just like my old favorite SQ21/22, albeit this flight being only close to 14 hours rather than the 16.5-18 hours...
(SQ boycotted for years now...Jet and LH now get my revenue)
Dec 24, 2011, 11:21 am
#49
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Air India looking for $230 million bridge loan for Dreamliner deal
Air India, which is expected to be the first of the launch customers of US aircraft maker Boeing's 787 Dreamliners, is looking at a $230-million bridge loan for financing the deal.
Cash-strapped Air India, however, plans a sell-and-lease-back arrangement for the new aircraft that Boeing will start delivering from next month.
Cash-strapped Air India, however, plans a sell-and-lease-back arrangement for the new aircraft that Boeing will start delivering from next month.
Jan 5, 2012, 2:59 am
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Despite the turbulent delivery set up for the 787s, AI seems to be ready with a deal to take delivery: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...cast-boei.html