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Hotel category change list
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World of Hyatt award chart structure and category changes for 2026
#106
Ambassador: World of Hyatt




Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: San Diego,CA
Posts: 11,213
Darnit. I'm sitting on 800,000 points because I haven't been able to find a free night room available in last 6 months at the properties i go to.
I was going to use these points to requalify for Globalist next yr (at 45 nights this yr so far).
This obviously is terrible news for people with points.
But I've cared more about suites and treatment on property than points so I'll stick with Hyatt. But it hurts losing so much value so fast.
They should end charade and just go dynamic. It'd be more honest that way
I was going to use these points to requalify for Globalist next yr (at 45 nights this yr so far).
This obviously is terrible news for people with points.
But I've cared more about suites and treatment on property than points so I'll stick with Hyatt. But it hurts losing so much value so fast.
They should end charade and just go dynamic. It'd be more honest that way
on and off 3rd party sites earning up to 12 mpd in airline points.Paying cash rates if it makes sense.
As well as buying by price, location and preferred property.Especially as Hyatt has driven award pricing through the roof and lowered brand assurance.
While I enjoy a select group of Hyatt properties I am also not married to them and thankfully I earned my lifetime Globber status a while back.
Within a year or two I expect to reduce my business by half
On the flip side of the equation I do believe Hyatt will attract more Hotels to its portfolio as owners will want to get in on the fleecing of Hyatt's customers pockets!
#107


Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,917
In general across hotel programs (Accor is really the only exception, but that's the most purely revenue rebate program out there: you redeem points for discounts from the revenue rate, period) the points reimbursement correlates to revpar on the particular night (which is more or less equivalent to occupancy times the average rate paid for that night). Basically, Hyatt sees the hotel averaged $X per room that night (counting vacant rooms as zero and ignoring out-of-order rooms) and settles up at something fairly close to that.
#108


Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,917
I realize that 0.5 is what Hilton points sell for but I find it increasingly hard to get that much value out of them. I am sitting on a million Hilton points (mostly generated by CC spend to get certs) and may have to bite the bullet and redeem for less than this.
#109




Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SFO/HKG
Programs: ex-UA 1K, AA EXP, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 543
If you maximize the 5th night free benefit, you can get close to 0.5 and more frequently than not exceed 0.5 cents / point on properties abroad
#110




Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: SFO/HKG
Programs: ex-UA 1K, AA EXP, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 543
Same here - 9500 points per night during sakura season is going to be a huge winner
#111


Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,917
#112
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: USA
Programs: MB Ambassador, WOH Globalist, HH Diamond (Aspire), IHG Plat (CC), UA (*G) Gold, AA Plat (OWS)
Posts: 10,207
All of this is really negative for those who dont have access to US credit cards - assuming thats where the balancing act here will land in the coming weeks. Combine that with Hyatts bad footprint in many locales, and I really dont see the reason for many folks to invest too much further.
Hyatt may be following Marriott, but they should realize that they cant get away with everything Marriott gets away with because their footprint is so much worse than Marriott.
#113


Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,917
Yeah the problem is I rarely want to spend five nights most places. I think my other problem is there are only certain times where I want a high end property and that is where most of the outside value is with Hilton.
#114
Ambassador: World of Hyatt




Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: San Diego,CA
Posts: 11,213
There were also far fewer properties in those cities back then that were Hyatts compounding the matter further.
The hotels some will bring back inventory or load more of it when they know they are going to be getting paid more
for redemption's just after the increases go into effect
The announcements are brand new.We all knew some changes would be coming. To what extent no one new for sure
I think there were more rumors than facts!
To your thought/question I believe the most popular properties will tend to be booked in advance over the weeks and months ahead
like never before as this may be the largest
devaluation in Hyatt's history.Especially those members that have saved and don't have large reserves of transferable points.
They are the ones that may likely be hurt the worst.
Thanks to Chase and Citi/others many of us can go transfer with a click to Accor and a wide variety of other hotel programs opportunities
with large reserves in a variety of transferable accounts where it makes sense to likely better protect ones points currency.
I've lowered my account balance with Hyatt.
I know Gary Leff knows the numbers one of the many things hes brilliant at/ I'd like to get the round numbers on lost value
Hyatt has spoken loud and clear despite its limited footprint it will charge as much or more than the larger hotel companies.
Each of us will have to make the best decision for our selves.
I've learned that cost, perceived values differ greatly with members after decades on & off these FT hotel forums and other social media sites.
One giant downturn pandemic economy hiccup and Hyatt will be churning out the promo's unless with the current administration
they pull a miracle out of a hat or file
and the travel industry might greatly prosper.When we look at Int travel down to the US overall a decline in select domestic cities Vegas/San Fran/San Diego etc
Early on I think Hyatt got overly greedy by simply watching other programs rather than thinking out of the box.Some of it makes no sense to me
Time will tell!
#115



Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: PHL
Programs: AAdvantage Platinum, Hilton HHonors Diamond
Posts: 1,351
Brutal.
The point spreads here kill me. I cant wrap my head around a category 5 going from 23,000 max to 35,000. Id prefer a category 9 and 10 to this 🤣 Business wise, I get it, but as a consumerthis kills any incentive for my chase UR and Hyatt card usage. Im finding it harder and harder to get 2cpp with Hyatt. This will definitely bring it under. Honestly Im consistently getting the best cpp/cpm on AA. May be time to get into the citi thank you rewards system more.
This incentives me to book more hotels through Amex and take the $300 off, free breakfast and whatever upgrade they throw my way.
Lastly, I just came back from Andaz Jomtien beach (loved it)glad I did the trip this year since somehow this hotel was identified to go up in category immediately. I received around 2.5cpp on my Hyatt points btw as a category 4, so Im not sure that was necessarily needed to be immediate. Baffling decision.
The point spreads here kill me. I cant wrap my head around a category 5 going from 23,000 max to 35,000. Id prefer a category 9 and 10 to this 🤣 Business wise, I get it, but as a consumerthis kills any incentive for my chase UR and Hyatt card usage. Im finding it harder and harder to get 2cpp with Hyatt. This will definitely bring it under. Honestly Im consistently getting the best cpp/cpm on AA. May be time to get into the citi thank you rewards system more.
This incentives me to book more hotels through Amex and take the $300 off, free breakfast and whatever upgrade they throw my way.
Lastly, I just came back from Andaz Jomtien beach (loved it)glad I did the trip this year since somehow this hotel was identified to go up in category immediately. I received around 2.5cpp on my Hyatt points btw as a category 4, so Im not sure that was necessarily needed to be immediate. Baffling decision.
#116




Join Date: Jan 2020
Programs: SQ Gold, Marriott Lifetime Platinum, Caesars Diamond, Hilton Diamond, Atmos Silver, IHG Platinum
Posts: 2,229
Meanwhile, enjoying SLH at Hilton
#117


Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: SYD
Programs: QF WP (OWE), VA PLAT, EY GLD, SPG PLAT, Hyatt DIA, Hilton DIA, Hertz PC
Posts: 8,664
The base Park Room has been removed by hotel sales so it's not bookable for points.
#118
FlyerTalk Evangelist


Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Depends on the day!
Programs: Marriott/Lifetime Titanium Hyatt/Globalist, Hilton/Silver, IHG Spire,UA Platinum
Posts: 17,980
I typically have gone out of my way to stay at Hyatt properties as I've always thought their value for redemption and very few if any black out dates as best. I rarely stay in large metro areas for work, so a lot of times I have to drive a good bit out of my way to stay at Hyatt properties.
Recently, I've noticed getting rooms for any amount of points on weekends at the PH Chicago (one of the properties we've frequented) is virtually impossible. It's become like redeeming miles for flights...has to be so far in advance.
I'm a lifetime titanium with Marriott and with the use of their credit card, it seems to be a better value now and certainly with many more properties to choose from. I think this is the start of me going back to Marriott and putting Hyatt on the back burner.
Recently, I've noticed getting rooms for any amount of points on weekends at the PH Chicago (one of the properties we've frequented) is virtually impossible. It's become like redeeming miles for flights...has to be so far in advance.
I'm a lifetime titanium with Marriott and with the use of their credit card, it seems to be a better value now and certainly with many more properties to choose from. I think this is the start of me going back to Marriott and putting Hyatt on the back burner.
#119


Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 946
Personally, I like Alila Napa so thats one (You get their partner winery deals without a status). PH/ADZ in NY and Tokyo, Maui Andaz, PH Sydney, Alila and PH Maldives, PHBC if winter
#120




Join Date: Feb 2019
Programs: A wandering soul
Posts: 243
It wouldn't be so bad if it opened availability on points for other room categories beside the entry-level as some hotels like to play games with rooms categories and you can barely find availability for the standard rooms... This way, it will just be way overpriced...




