Emotional support dogs and pet fee
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I don't think that the size of the animal or the length of the stay is really important here. Once there is an animal in the room (even a small one, even for just one day) I hope that they are doing a proper deep cleaning of the room, including steam cleaning the carpets and any furniture that the animal may have sat on. Some people do have severe animal allergies after all. This cleaning costs money and time (it may make the room unavailable for a night after your stay) so I think that the per-stay fees are reasonable (not so much the per-day ones -- that's ridiculous) I hope that they are actually doing this and not just pocketing the fee without actually doing anything special to the room -- that would be a rip-off and also a disservice to the future customers.
I don't think that the size of the animal or the length of the stay is really important here. Once there is an animal in the room (even a small one, even for just one day) I hope that they are doing a proper deep cleaning of the room, including steam cleaning the carpets and any furniture that the animal may have sat on. Some people do have severe animal allergies after all. This cleaning costs money and time (it may make the room unavailable for a night after your stay) so I think that the per-stay fees are reasonable (not so much the per-day ones -- that's ridiculous) I hope that they are actually doing this and not just pocketing the fee without actually doing anything special to the room -- that would be a rip-off and also a disservice to the future customers.
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I'm skeptical that they are deep-cleaning these rooms or steam-cleaning the carpets & furniture after every dog stay. With the huge collective number of nights stayed by members of this board...has anyone ever seen or heard a steam cleaner being used by housekeeping in a guest room?
Many humans especially children make much lore of a mess than some well behaved animals ...just saying
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I would bet money 99% of the time they are not. In this example there was dry vomit on my patio and when I took a wet towel to wipe water off the wood floor in kitchen area it was black
Many humans especially children make much lore of a mess than some well behaved animals ...just saying
Many humans especially children make much lore of a mess than some well behaved animals ...just saying
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This seems like a totally reasonable way to approach it.
I think that the problem is that there are some people who think that they are entitled to special treatment.
Having said that, I don't think that there's a technical difference between a "real" ESA and a "fake" one, since there are no laws around ESAs. Absent regulation around ESAs, there's no formal definition to judge "real" vs "fake". But you aren't trying to get any special treatment, so I don't think that this really matters.
I don't think that the size of the animal or the length of the stay is really important here. Once there is an animal in the room (even a small one, even for just one day) I hope that they are doing a proper deep cleaning of the room, including steam cleaning the carpets and any furniture that the animal may have sat on. Some people do have severe animal allergies after all. This cleaning costs money and time (it may make the room unavailable for a night after your stay) so I think that the per-stay fees are reasonable (not so much the per-day ones -- that's ridiculous) I hope that they are actually doing this and not just pocketing the fee without actually doing anything special to the room -- that would be a rip-off and also a disservice to the future customers.
I think that the problem is that there are some people who think that they are entitled to special treatment.
Having said that, I don't think that there's a technical difference between a "real" ESA and a "fake" one, since there are no laws around ESAs. Absent regulation around ESAs, there's no formal definition to judge "real" vs "fake". But you aren't trying to get any special treatment, so I don't think that this really matters.
I don't think that the size of the animal or the length of the stay is really important here. Once there is an animal in the room (even a small one, even for just one day) I hope that they are doing a proper deep cleaning of the room, including steam cleaning the carpets and any furniture that the animal may have sat on. Some people do have severe animal allergies after all. This cleaning costs money and time (it may make the room unavailable for a night after your stay) so I think that the per-stay fees are reasonable (not so much the per-day ones -- that's ridiculous) I hope that they are actually doing this and not just pocketing the fee without actually doing anything special to the room -- that would be a rip-off and also a disservice to the future customers.
As well, my husband is allergic to most dogs. We specifically got one that is hypoallergenic (for most people). He is small. We travel with items to clean up after him should the need arise. It has not. We still wipe the floor with clorox cleanup or Lysol around the entire area we put his wee wee pad (if he uses it).
People like the OP are ruining it for the rest of us.
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There is no card. My husband has a letter, from a real MD, with a license number on it an phone numbers to each of his two offices. We travel with that letter in the event someone asks for it. We also travel with the airline forms we've had to provide as proof he's been vaccinated and healthy.
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I'm skeptical that they are deep-cleaning these rooms or steam-cleaning the carpets & furniture after every dog stay. With the huge collective number of nights stayed by members of this board...has anyone ever seen or heard a steam cleaner being used by housekeeping in a guest room?
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I would bet money 99% of the time they are not. In this example there was dry vomit on my patio and when I took a wet towel to wipe water off the wood floor in kitchen area it was black
Many humans especially children make much lore of a mess than some well behaved animals ...just saying
Many humans especially children make much lore of a mess than some well behaved animals ...just saying
I'm skeptical that they are deep-cleaning these rooms or steam-cleaning the carpets & furniture after every dog stay. With the huge collective number of nights stayed by members of this board...has anyone ever seen or heard a steam cleaner being used by housekeeping in a guest room?
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Funny thing I noticed.... the hotels I've been in (mostly Hyatt with a Disney thrown in), when I've gone to wash down the bathroom floor in the area of the wee wee pad the floor was disgustingly dirty - and it wasn't from the dog. This was years of caked on dirt that wasn't visible until you used a real cleaner on it.
Perhaps they should worry less about steaming the carpets and clean the floors better.
Perhaps they should worry less about steaming the carpets and clean the floors better.
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Full disclosure: I love dogs. My wife is allergic to dogs and we always inform the airlines and they tend to move her (and not the dog) if there is a dog near us, even when I am a top tier elite. Mary2e , my wife appears to be allergic to hypoallergenic dogs as well. We tried several kinds because we wanted to have a dog.
We have many friends with dogs who honestly think that because their dog is so wonderful and loving that my wife isn't really allergic to their dog.
We were staying in Florida earlier this month and friends of ours from Boston, who had just retired, were on a road trip to the South. The husband had become very attached to an extremely well-behaved short-haired dachshund, who died, so they bought a whiny, poorly behaved long-haired dachshund. He is happy to say that animal is a support animal when they fly (though he admits that this is just to get around paying for the animal to fly). They reported getting kicked out of a Ritz Carlton because the dog barked -- he does whine for extended periods whenever his papa is not with him. We would not let him bring the dog into our house in FL or at home, but Anyway, he brought the dog to meet us for dinner at a restaurant (we asked for outdoor seating) and he ate with the dog in his lap.
This seems like weird, entitled behavior. I have no issue with true service dogs -- people need them for mobility. There may be some cases where a person's psychological disability makes it difficult or impossible for them to travel without the pet for 2 or 4 hours. But, my sense from people I know is that the system has been grossly abused and the pendulum needs to swing back.
On cleaning, my wife can be allergic to chemicals used in cleaning but she has never reported being allergic to dogs/cats in a hotel room. So, that probably suggests that the hotels are deep-cleaning as described by writerguyfl .
We have many friends with dogs who honestly think that because their dog is so wonderful and loving that my wife isn't really allergic to their dog.
We were staying in Florida earlier this month and friends of ours from Boston, who had just retired, were on a road trip to the South. The husband had become very attached to an extremely well-behaved short-haired dachshund, who died, so they bought a whiny, poorly behaved long-haired dachshund. He is happy to say that animal is a support animal when they fly (though he admits that this is just to get around paying for the animal to fly). They reported getting kicked out of a Ritz Carlton because the dog barked -- he does whine for extended periods whenever his papa is not with him. We would not let him bring the dog into our house in FL or at home, but Anyway, he brought the dog to meet us for dinner at a restaurant (we asked for outdoor seating) and he ate with the dog in his lap.
This seems like weird, entitled behavior. I have no issue with true service dogs -- people need them for mobility. There may be some cases where a person's psychological disability makes it difficult or impossible for them to travel without the pet for 2 or 4 hours. But, my sense from people I know is that the system has been grossly abused and the pendulum needs to swing back.
On cleaning, my wife can be allergic to chemicals used in cleaning but she has never reported being allergic to dogs/cats in a hotel room. So, that probably suggests that the hotels are deep-cleaning as described by writerguyfl .
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It looks like the DOT has become concerned about the abuse of ESAs and is proposing regulation that makes it clear that an ESA is not a service animal unless there is a documented psychiatric disability and the animal has the same kind of training as a service animal. (https://www.regulations.gov/document...018-0068-12959). Per the link, it is soliciting public comments on its proposed new rule. It is not clear to me how well this will close the loophole that current pet-owners use to fly for free with their pets. How much will it cost to get an online psychiatrist or psychologist to diagnose a psychiatrist disability and to pay for certification that the animal has received the appropriate training? Given that the alternative to free transport is paying for a kennel (or dog-sitter/dog-walker) or to pay to ship the animal, I suspect that a number of the folks I know would pay for the bogus diagnosis and training.
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It looks like the DOT has become concerned about the abuse of ESAs and is proposing regulation that makes it clear that an ESA is not a service animal unless there is a documented psychiatric disability and the animal has the same kind of training as a service animal. (https://www.regulations.gov/document...018-0068-12959). Per the link, it is soliciting public comments on its proposed new rule. It is not clear to me how well this will close the loophole that current pet-owners use to fly for free with their pets. How much will it cost to get an online psychiatrist or psychologist to diagnose a psychiatrist disability and to pay for certification that the animal has received the appropriate training? Given that the alternative to free transport is paying for a kennel (or dog-sitter/dog-walker) or to pay to ship the animal, I suspect that a number of the folks I know would pay for the bogus diagnosis and training.
And it'll certainly keep barnyard animals and reptiles out of cabins. Maybe even the kind of people who think bringing farm animals onto an airplane is somehow appropriate.
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It looks like the DOT has become concerned about the abuse of ESAs and is proposing regulation that makes it clear that an ESA is not a service animal unless there is a documented psychiatric disability and the animal has the same kind of training as a service animal. (https://www.regulations.gov/document...018-0068-12959). Per the link, it is soliciting public comments on its proposed new rule. It is not clear to me how well this will close the loophole that current pet-owners use to fly for free with their pets. How much will it cost to get an online psychiatrist or psychologist to diagnose a psychiatrist disability and to pay for certification that the animal has received the appropriate training? Given that the alternative to free transport is paying for a kennel (or dog-sitter/dog-walker) or to pay to ship the animal, I suspect that a number of the folks I know would pay for the bogus diagnosis and training.