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Gold Passport Concierge Jan 19, 2015 3:52 pm

bangkokiscool if you want to PM me your stay details I can take a look at your reservations and make sure all is ok for your arrival.

mangoMan Jan 22, 2015 9:46 am

P&C suite w/o DSU?
 

Originally Posted by bangkokiscool (Post 24196269)
I have an interesting situation. It's my first P&C redemption, and I have a P&C reservation for a suite (not a diamond upgrade, I'm only a platinum). On the phone the agent told me it would be 6000 pts plus the cash.

I also just made my first P&C redemption and was also offered a suite for 6K pts and $75 a night. Naturally I took it. Points were deducted from the account and confirmation email says "HYATT GOLD PASSPORT POINTS PLUS CASH AWARD COMBINED W/ TIER BENEFIT SUITE UPGRADE AWARD". This seems as if a DSU was applied, but I am only Platinum and have no DSUs in the account. Did I just get very lucky or is there something else about P&C I'm missing?

DaveH Jan 22, 2015 11:47 am


Originally Posted by hailstorm (Post 24196729)
If you don't have enough points in your account to cover the P+C reservation within about a week of your stay, your rate will be changed to the hotel Hyatt Daily Rate.

I booked the new Nassau Hyatt resort for Thanksgiving week last night via the Diamond line, before it jumped from tier 4 to 5. Tried to use P + C and a DSU, but no P + C availability.

So I used points instead, 3 rooms for 5 nights. I asked the rep when I'd need to have 200,000+ points in my account, she stressed, "you just need them in by check-in". That seemed quite lenient to me...more so than I remembered. And more so than your post suggests for P + C.

Perhaps they are treated differently..?

LivelyFL Jan 22, 2015 11:51 am

I booked 2 nights P+C in Park Hyatt Toronto with DSU. Then I tried to book Park Hyatt Seoul with C+P for 3 nights. They had 2 of the weekdays for C+P but the Friday night no C+P...also no DSU available at all. But I was glad to book both before they changed categories. I'm happy overall.

Firewind Jan 22, 2015 1:57 pm

bankokiscool and mangoMan - what hotel P&C category(-ies)? Or maybe I missed it. Thank you. :)

hailstorm Jan 22, 2015 2:33 pm


Originally Posted by DaveH (Post 24214932)
I booked the new Nassau Hyatt resort for Thanksgiving week last night via the Diamond line, before it jumped from tier 4 to 5. Tried to use P + C and a DSU, but no P + C availability.

So I used points instead, 3 rooms for 5 nights. I asked the rep when I'd need to have 200,000+ points in my account, she stressed, "you just need them in by check-in". That seemed quite lenient to me...more so than I remembered. And more so than your post suggests for P + C.

Perhaps they are treated differently..?

A week before checkin was what I was told. You were told something differently. It's possible that, if you ask 10 different times, you will get 10 different answers...

mangoMan Jan 22, 2015 5:59 pm


Originally Posted by Firewind (Post 24215716)
bankokiscool and mangoMan - what hotel P&C category(-ies)? Or maybe I missed it. Thank you. :)

A P&C rate of 6K pts and cash ($75) corresponds to category 3.

Jerryf08 Jan 23, 2015 8:56 am


Originally Posted by mangoMan (Post 24214183)
I also just made my first P&C redemption and was also offered a suite for 6K pts and $75 a night. Naturally I took it. Points were deducted from the account and confirmation email says "HYATT GOLD PASSPORT POINTS PLUS CASH AWARD COMBINED W/ TIER BENEFIT SUITE UPGRADE AWARD". This seems as if a DSU was applied, but I am only Platinum and have no DSUs in the account. Did I just get very lucky or is there something else about P&C I'm missing?

I just did a P+C reservation for Grand Hyatt San Antonio as it's now a category 3 (formally a 4). I'm also a Platinum member, I was not told about a suite though :/

BobR Feb 27, 2015 2:13 pm

I have booked several Points and cash reservations lately. I did think it was strange that P+C reservations at HR appear to always be cancellable (I have seen both 24 and 48 hours) but I just booked a HH P+C reservation and it was a prepaid (uncancellable) rate.

I thought the inconsistency was kinda weird and also frustrating since all P+C must be booked over the phone where fine print is rarely available before booking. I didn't ask about cancellation policy when booking because all my past experience had been that they were cancellable rates.

I think this is my third post here this week on the theme of "I like Hyatt but they are very inconsistent..."

nmoe Feb 27, 2015 5:57 pm

I have started booking them over twitter using DM. So much easier to find out the available nights and to book everything. I just check the terms, etc. online to make sure I understand afterward.

I know I have mentioned it on here before, but their twitter team is great.

lmalvarez07 Mar 2, 2015 8:00 pm

Is it best to use P+C if its available at the property? What is the general consensus on that?

I am waiting for my free night rewards(4 of them) through chase hyatt card and have points to use during our stays.

We will be in

Sydney 3 nights ( i plan to use the free nights here) I dont know if they will arrive in time to use March 18)
Bangkok 4 nights (Cat. 4 $240 pn)
Dubai 2 nights (Cat. 4 $250 pn)
Paris 3 nights (use the last free night + points)
Vienna 4 nigthts (Cat. 6 $500pn)

I would like to keep my costs as low as possible (obviously would mean using points only) but i would like to maximize the value of the points ( any points i save i could use them for a future stay)

sethb Mar 2, 2015 11:35 pm


Originally Posted by lmalvarez07 (Post 24443887)
Is it best to use P+C if its available at the property? What is the general consensus on that?

Run the numbers for each choice


I would like to keep my costs as low as possible (obviously would mean using points only) but i would like to maximize the value of the points ( any points i save i could use them for a future stay)
OK, choices are cash, P+C, Points. What is the value per point of going from cash to P+C? Of going from cash to Points?

To do the analysis correctly, you have to include taxes on the cash side, and also the points you earn if you pay cash.

craigthemif Mar 4, 2015 1:02 am


Originally Posted by lmalvarez07 (Post 24443887)
Is it best to use P+C if its available at the property? What is the general consensus on that?

I am waiting for my free night rewards(4 of them) through chase hyatt card and have points to use during our stays.

We will be in

Sydney 3 nights ( i plan to use the free nights here) I dont know if they will arrive in time to use March 18)
Bangkok 4 nights (Cat. 4 $240 pn)
Dubai 2 nights (Cat. 4 $250 pn)
Paris 3 nights (use the last free night + points)
Vienna 4 nigthts (Cat. 6 $500pn)

I would like to keep my costs as low as possible (obviously would mean using points only) but i would like to maximize the value of the points ( any points i save i could use them for a future stay)

General consensus is P+C is bad value for Categories 1 and 7, as you end up paying more than 2 cents per point saved. Categories 2-6 are better value.

Keep in mind that P+C qualifies for the promo currently ongoing. Depending on which one you have, you can earn back a big chunk of the points you are spending, all in exchange for $100 a night on those Cat 4 stays...

peteropny Mar 4, 2015 6:28 am


Originally Posted by craigthemif (Post 24451074)
General consensus is P+C is bad value for Categories 1 and 7, as you end up paying more than 2 cents per point saved. Categories 2-6 are better value.

Keep in mind that P+C qualifies for the promo currently ongoing. Depending on which one you have, you can earn back a big chunk of the points you are spending, all in exchange for $100 a night on those Cat 4 stays...

And don't forget the stay credit for requalification purposes if you think you'll need it.

Biggie Fries Mar 4, 2015 6:31 am

IMHO, Cat 7 is precisely where one would like to use P+C (if allowed). The value of the points you use should be calculated (roughly, I'm not backing out points on foregone cash expenditures) is (Available room price - cash portion of P+C) / Points portion of P+C. Your points are substituting for the cash difference. Cash differences are bigger at the most expensive properties.

Let's talk about PHV, where I'm not sure they do P+C. I sure wish they did. Even without the 20% current rebate on points, and even with rates dropping as the dollar strengthens, I'd rather pay 30,000 points than $800, since I would be getting $0.0267 per point. But what I would really like to do is pay them $300 plus 15,000 points, because then I am getting $0.0333 per point.

This assumes I want to stay at PHV (which I do). So to finish this game, pick your favorite Cat 2-6 hotel, plug in the alternative cash price, and do the same math. Off the top of my head, you would have to be looking at >$566/night on a Cat 6 to get the same per point value on a C+P.


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