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Old Apr 2, 2023, 5:01 pm
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Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:

[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]

Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 5:36 am
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Hilton Imperial Dubrovnik
Was 40K until end of April.

Now - 70K
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 5:40 am
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Hilton Vilamoura
Was 30K until end of June.

Now 60K
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 5:42 am
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Originally Posted by Animator
Hilton Imperial Dubrovnik
Was 40K until end of April.

Now - 70K
Same (40k to 70K) for Hilton Mauritius early next year though I expect it will reduce as time moves on because rates at the moment look like rack rates which will surely reduce.
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 6:03 am
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Doubletree Times Square NYC now as low as 49,000 in the winter. Nice properties in NYC as low as 30,000. Previously it was impossible to find NYC less than 60,000.
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 6:08 am
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Originally Posted by arlflyer
Yeah! Let's throw the whole company and program under the bus 6 minutes into their new IT rollout! Light the torches! Rabble!
Originally Posted by turtlemichael
I don't think I have done that. I have drawn attention to examples which do not appear to me to make a lot of sense. YMMV.
I was just ragging on the OP - 12:06 AM Eastern, "Worst devaluation yet!!!"

Data is always appreciated - definitely no hard feelings in your direction.
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 6:09 am
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Meh - you are being too cynical! Just let the new programming team, hired from Delta, do their work and let their new audit team, hired from PriceWaterhouseCoopers, do their quality control review.

Originally Posted by arlflyer
Yeah! Let's throw the whole company and program under the bus 6 minutes into their new IT rollout! Light the torches! Rabble!
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 6:10 am
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On the positive side:

Doubletree Shanghai Pudong: 40k (before) ; 25k (now)
Conrad Seoul: 60k (before) ; 44k (now)
Conrad Tokyo: 80k (before) ; 59k (now)
Palmer House Chicago: 50k (before); 23k (now)
Hilton Mauritius: 50k (before); 41k (now)

This is not too bad, actually. It's rather a rate adjustment which is much closer to actual daily price than a mere devaluation. The downside is it's getting more difficult to get a point worth more than 0.6 cent $, but on the bright side a point won't be less than 0.5 cent $ worth.
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 6:12 am
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Waldorf Beijing is showing as 58,000 on a night where a cash room is over $400.
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 6:16 am
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Looks like theres Good and Bad, depending on where you are coming from
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 6:17 am
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Originally Posted by sch7458
On the positive side:

Doubletree Shanghai Pudong: 40k (before) ; 25k (now)
Conrad Seoul: 60k (before) ; 44k (now)
Conrad Tokyo: 80k (before) ; 59k (now)
Palmer House Chicago: 50k (before); 23k (now)
Hilton Mauritius: 50k (before); 41k (now)

This is not too bad, actually. It's rather a rate adjustment which is much closer to actual daily price than a mere devaluation. The downside is it's getting more difficult to get a point worth more than 0.6 cent $, but on the bright side a point won't be less than 0.5 cent $ worth.
When redeemed Hilton points are fundamentally worth no more than a fixed cash amount per point, the point of collecting the Hilton points -- at least via partner activity or where partner point alternatives are relatively more valuable -- gets undermined and a replacement option makes more sense than would otherwise be the case.

If Hilton wants Hilton Honors to be nothing more than a form of restricted cash back, many of its customers would be better off going for something less restricted in its value -- something like actual cash back. Are we there yet? Not so sure.
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 6:19 am
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Originally Posted by Raffles
Waldorf Beijing is showing as 58,000 on a night where a cash room is over $400.
Yep. This is actually not bad at all:



With the previous rate Conrad Beijing was 60k and Waldorf Beijing 80k.
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 6:24 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
When redeemed Hilton points are fundamentally worth no more than a fixed cash amount per point, the point of collecting the Hilton points -- at least via partner activity or where partner point alternatives are relatively more valuable -- gets undermined and a replacement option makes more sense than would otherwise be the case.

If Hilton wants Hilton Honors to be nothing more than a form of restricted cash back, many of its customers would be better off going for something less restricted in its value -- something like actual cash back. Are we there yet? Not so sure.
I guess everyone is moving into that way. Starts with Delta couple years ago, now the big 3 US carriers programs are revenue-based. I can imagine that the 2018 SPG-Marriott program will be similar.
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 6:30 am
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CKS is now 95K all year round? Was 80k before.
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 6:30 am
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Good news from Conrad Hong Kong. Previously 80K points. And I am being sarcastic here.
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Old Mar 1, 2017, 6:31 am
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Originally Posted by turtlemichael
Looking at Sydney Hilton in very early January. It has reduced to 45,000 points which is the lowest I have seen in recent times. However, the points rate is said to be non-cancellable!
i have booked this property for 37k for a premium room a few times.
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