escapefromphl

I meant covid rates per 100K, Oahu is over 20 per 100K, while most counties in California other than the hardest hit in Central and Imperial valley are below that and trending downwards. Big Island and Kauai are less, but with relatively small populations.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...rus-cases.html

cmd320

I cracked up pretty hard at my desk when I read this.

Picturing a drunken tourist couple staggering in the wrong direction and getting a sudden jolt as they cross the hotel's 'border'.

It's remarkable that HI is finally attempting to do something to save it's primary industry, I'm just not sure this is the right call. If it were somewhere like the DR with a bunch of all-inclusives where people primarily stay on property their entire stay it would make sense but the majority of those going to Hawaii are going there to see/do other things as well. For the majority of tourists, it's a bit far to go for a long weekend in a resort (of course I'm not saying I wouldn't do that).

GreenPlastic

I go to Hawaii instead of Mexico and other more affordable destinations, because I can go off property and enjoy the people and the locale and not feel prisoner to my hotel/resort. This may work for some, but I wouldn’t do it.

travelinmanS

I can think of few things worse than being confined to the Hilton Hawaiian Village in Oahu. They’d have to pay me.

PV_Premier

I canceled our October stay at Andaz Maui earlier this week, but I would have potentially considered still traveling if this had been announced. While being locked in the resort isn't ideal, for a brief 4-5 day trip, I could keep plenty busy at the spa, pool, beach, etc. with a good book and a good drink menu. I wouldn't want to be stuck doing dining at only resort property though...even at Andaz.

Similarly, if I was planning a long 30-45 day stay on island, I would go for this. Heck, I barely have been out of my house in CA in the past two weeks, so being stuck on the resort grounds of a nice place in Hawaii before being free to roam the island for 15-30 days thereafter would not be so bad.

LIH Prem

You have to watch to the end of the clip ...

msp3

Read between the lines and you'll soon realize the real reason behind the hysteria is to install low quality Caribbean/Mexico style all-inclusive places where you can practice apartheid while trapping any sucker stupid enough to fall for it on property and fleece them for inflated F&B, equipment rentals, etc. At the same time, the properties are owned by people offshore, where all the profits are also exported to so they can avoid giving local businesses any economic benefit (unless they pay our corrupt politicians the price of admission into the "bubble"). Aren't police states fun?

Klxp2016

escapefromphil:

“No way. We have 10 days booked in December on Kohala coast. While we occasionally do a "resort day", a large part of the attraction of Hawaii is all the outdoor activity, hiking, exploring, snorkeling, paddling etc. So we would still cancel if this is a restriction. I can see that if you had small kids it might be OK for a few days. For those that were considering doing quarantine anyway maybe this isn't too bad an option, but this is not going to help the tourism situation very much.”

What he said. 2nd that.

Troopers

Very understandable.

My oldest is 14 and our next trip to Hawaii will be her 23rd or 24th visit. For us, we don't have to do something while on vacation. We'll bring along 3 or 4 other families and stay in a 3 bedroom villa (w full kitchen, dining room for 8, laundry, etc) and a 2 bedroom villa. I guess we'll have groceries delivered (or friend drop them off) and cook/bbq for some of the meals. Aulani has a beach, snorkeling and paddling boarding Getting away from our daily routine/home, spending time with friends and doing nothing is very satisfying. Spending a week+/- exclusively at Aulani is not ideal but do you have any suggestions or better alternatives?

We have visited Disneyworld, stayed on site, and not go into the theme parks.

gaobest

Lol there are other places...

Yeah, Andaz is so lovely. We eat once at Morimoto’s when staying at the Grand Wailea. I’d be happy at either place for a full OGG trip. Then I wouldn’t need to worry about a car. Even Black Rock Sheraton could be nice.

mcgahat

I cant imagine staying confined for 14 days straight at any one property. I will save my money and vacation time for better times.

Weatherboy

No, there wouldn't be an electric fence, but there would be a geofence that would alert the resort staff and law enforfement if someone left the perimeter. It sounds like they'd issue tracking wrist bands similar to what's available on cruise lines, which would track your movement on resort grounds while also serving as a payment method when something is consumed. Apparently it would also log interactions with others so if you became ill, the work of contact tracing was done.

As far as staff, they would live on-site for 5-6 day long shifts before being allowed to leave property. Locals want their jobs back, but I don't know if they'd want to leave their families behind a week at a time to work in a bubble.

The Four Seasons at Hualalai told me they would not consider being in a resort bubble this year.

But if spread continues and there's no widespread vaccine or treatment option in the immediate future, I imagine resorts will get creative with options to avoid foreclosure.

Eujeanie

What about the beach and beach path in front of the resorts, will they also be cordoned off from the ones next to you? What if you swam from one to another? (the horror!)

COSPILOT

There was a rumor floating around a few weeks ago that these “resort bubbles” would include the beach. It was suggested that locals would not be allowed to use any of those beaches that were part of the bubble.

Thankfully that was just a rumor and was clarified by the news as incorrect, but this is Hawaii and nothing would surprise me.

Weatherboy

I wouldn't be surprised if locals were not permitted to lounge on resort bubble beaches. And with so many nicer beaches around, locals really should avoid them.

I'm surprised some beaches were/are closed off to locals by resort properties. Only recently did Waikoloa Land Company, the land owner of the Waikoloa Beach Resort, open up A-Bay to the public. The company that runs the Mauna Lani resort complex (on which the Auberge property of the same name sits) still has the beach park there closed off to anyone. So even if Hawaiians have rights to access the water for fishing or cultural practices, the resorts have managed to restrict it.