Jeans and Sneakers at Paris Restaurants?
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On a somewhat related note, I assume most mid-tier or up restaurants will have English menus upon request? What about cheaper neighborhood places? I'm not being boorish about insisting on everyone speak English to me... just that my French is not that good and I don't want to order something that may cause problem (my wife has severe shellfish allergy).
In the neighborhood places, you generally only find seafood in upscale restaurants. You will find shrimp used in dishes most anywhere though, so learn to say allergie aux crevettes!
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At cheaper neighborhood places you are less likely to find English menus but you *might* find waiters who speak fairly decent English. Most will speak at least poor English and if it is a place that serves seafood, you they will definitely understand words like shrimp and lobster.
In the neighborhood places, you generally only find seafood in upscale restaurants. You will find shrimp used in dishes most anywhere though, so learn to say allergie aux crevettes!
In the neighborhood places, you generally only find seafood in upscale restaurants. You will find shrimp used in dishes most anywhere though, so learn to say allergie aux crevettes!
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On a somewhat related note, I assume most mid-tier or up restaurants will have English menus upon request? What about cheaper neighborhood places? I'm not being boorish about insisting on everyone speak English to me... just that my French is not that good and I don't want to order something that may cause problem (my wife has severe shellfish allergy).
And oh yea, I'm going to be wearing pants to nice restaurants... not all Americans have obsession with wearing jeans
And oh yea, I'm going to be wearing pants to nice restaurants... not all Americans have obsession with wearing jeans
If you do a search, you can download a card that explains your wife's allergy in French, which might come in handy.
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On a somewhat related note, I assume most mid-tier or up restaurants will have English menus upon request? What about cheaper neighborhood places? I'm not being boorish about insisting on everyone speak English to me... just that my French is not that good and I don't want to order something that may cause problem (my wife has severe shellfish allergy).
And oh yea, I'm going to be wearing pants to nice restaurants... not all Americans have obsession with wearing jeans
And oh yea, I'm going to be wearing pants to nice restaurants... not all Americans have obsession with wearing jeans
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On a somewhat related note, I assume most mid-tier or up restaurants will have English menus upon request? What about cheaper neighborhood places? I'm not being boorish about insisting on everyone speak English to me... just that my French is not that good and I don't want to order something that may cause problem (my wife has severe shellfish allergy).
And oh yea, I'm going to be wearing pants to nice restaurants... not all Americans have obsession with wearing jeans
And oh yea, I'm going to be wearing pants to nice restaurants... not all Americans have obsession with wearing jeans
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I, too, have a potentially fatal shellfish allergy. When I order fish of any kind, I always ask the waiter to ask the cook if there are shellfish shells in the sauce. It's not uncommon, especially in France.
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Bonne santé!
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Wearing jeans and sneakers in France especially while dining, is like broadcasting a message to the locals: I'M AMERICAN AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE HERE.
It's respectful to try to immerse a little bit in the place you are visiting that has a different culture than your own. Leave the jeans & sneakers home. Try also to speak in a lower voice in public than you do in the US.
(And Americans wonder why the French get non-plussed at their attitude)
It's respectful to try to immerse a little bit in the place you are visiting that has a different culture than your own. Leave the jeans & sneakers home. Try also to speak in a lower voice in public than you do in the US.
(And Americans wonder why the French get non-plussed at their attitude)
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Wearing jeans and sneakers in France especially while dining, is like broadcasting a message to the locals: I'M AMERICAN AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE HERE.
It's respectful to try to immerse a little bit in the place you are visiting that has a different culture than your own. Leave the jeans & sneakers home. Try also to speak in a lower voice in public than you do in the US. (And Americans wonder why the French get non-plussed at their attitude)
It's respectful to try to immerse a little bit in the place you are visiting that has a different culture than your own. Leave the jeans & sneakers home. Try also to speak in a lower voice in public than you do in the US. (And Americans wonder why the French get non-plussed at their attitude)
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Jumping in late, however...
I think there is a huge difference between jeans and sneakers. It is perfectly acceptable and stylish to wear jeans with a nice shirt, jacket, and nice shoes to most restaurants (excluding Michelin starred ones). Assuming that the jeans are themselves somewhat stylish, preferably black or at least dark. However, sneakers generally should only be worn at casual places, like pizza places, etc.
I think there is a huge difference between jeans and sneakers. It is perfectly acceptable and stylish to wear jeans with a nice shirt, jacket, and nice shoes to most restaurants (excluding Michelin starred ones). Assuming that the jeans are themselves somewhat stylish, preferably black or at least dark. However, sneakers generally should only be worn at casual places, like pizza places, etc.
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Jumping in late, however...
I think there is a huge difference between jeans and sneakers. It is perfectly acceptable and stylish to wear jeans with a nice shirt, jacket, and nice shoes to most restaurants (excluding Michelin starred ones). Assuming that the jeans are themselves somewhat stylish, preferably black or at least dark. However, sneakers generally should only be worn at casual places, like pizza places, etc.
I think there is a huge difference between jeans and sneakers. It is perfectly acceptable and stylish to wear jeans with a nice shirt, jacket, and nice shoes to most restaurants (excluding Michelin starred ones). Assuming that the jeans are themselves somewhat stylish, preferably black or at least dark. However, sneakers generally should only be worn at casual places, like pizza places, etc.
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^^
And if you wear a horrible jeans, nobody will notice it
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Jumping in late, however...
I think there is a huge difference between jeans and sneakers. It is perfectly acceptable and stylish to wear jeans with a nice shirt, jacket, and nice shoes to most restaurants (excluding Michelin starred ones). Assuming that the jeans are themselves somewhat stylish, preferably black or at least dark. However, sneakers generally should only be worn at casual places, like pizza places, etc.
I think there is a huge difference between jeans and sneakers. It is perfectly acceptable and stylish to wear jeans with a nice shirt, jacket, and nice shoes to most restaurants (excluding Michelin starred ones). Assuming that the jeans are themselves somewhat stylish, preferably black or at least dark. However, sneakers generally should only be worn at casual places, like pizza places, etc.
Try wearing gray slacks, white shirt, tie and blazer with dress shoes in just about any place in Paris. You will be amazed at the difference in your treatment.
Believe me, I've tried it both ways and have learned my lesson.
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To bump and ask:
We'll spend a few days in Paris mid-July (my wife's xxth birthday is July 13, Bastille Day the 14th) at the Hilton Arc de Triomphe (8th Arrondissement) and for her birthday we are most likely to book at Odette and Georges' Au Vieux Paris d'Arcole, in an ancient building and serving well-sourced Aveyronnaise food on the Isle de la Cité. (Book in advance, no tennis shoes and jeans ), which we last visited a few years ago.
Yeah, touristy area, but most can't find the restaurant anyway and diners are usually locals (like the retired lawyer who has taken his lunch here daily for who knows how many years!)
Back in the 8th, any recommendations within walks from our hotel would be welcome - we tend to eat the larger meal at lunch, particularly when it is hot and when we are on the road.
Oh, how far in advance is good to book (too far out, easy to forget; too late, worst table in the house).
Merci!
We'll spend a few days in Paris mid-July (my wife's xxth birthday is July 13, Bastille Day the 14th) at the Hilton Arc de Triomphe (8th Arrondissement) and for her birthday we are most likely to book at Odette and Georges' Au Vieux Paris d'Arcole, in an ancient building and serving well-sourced Aveyronnaise food on the Isle de la Cité. (Book in advance, no tennis shoes and jeans ), which we last visited a few years ago.
Yeah, touristy area, but most can't find the restaurant anyway and diners are usually locals (like the retired lawyer who has taken his lunch here daily for who knows how many years!)
Back in the 8th, any recommendations within walks from our hotel would be welcome - we tend to eat the larger meal at lunch, particularly when it is hot and when we are on the road.
Oh, how far in advance is good to book (too far out, easy to forget; too late, worst table in the house).
Merci!